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<blockquote data-quote="Anubis" data-source="post: 392762" data-attributes="member: 2358">Re: Examples?You are forgetting about the DM factor.&nbsp; If a DM is&nbsp; at all competent, the CRs and ECLs work out just fine as equal.&nbsp; Basically, the normal system assumes that a creature of a specific CR is a 20% challenge for four characters of the same level.&nbsp; With a good DM, this is true.What UK and I have done is basically taken it a step further and gone with the logical conclusion that if a creature of a specific CR is a 20% challenge for four characters of the same level, then CR and ECL MUST be the same.No.&nbsp; An SR of 10 is bascially worthless, as even a Level 1 Wizard can break through it 55% of the time.&nbsp; It is not worth consideration until SR 15.&nbsp; I think UK and I could probably agree on this one.You don't?&nbsp; Funny, more than half of them are the same as your proposals!&nbsp; (The main things that are nearly identical are the ECLs for Levels, Templates, Hit Dice, and most SAs and SQs, and to a certain extent, Divinity as well.)Those specific ones, except for the dragon, do indeed come out overestimated.&nbsp; Your system, however, doesn't do any better.&nbsp; I did the calculations, and your system overestimates those specific examples as much, if not more, than mine does!For examples, my Pit Fiend works out to ECL +19 (which is very close to being correct) . . . Yours works out to ECL +23!As such, I think both systems need minor tweaking, although I am currently a bit closer than you are.&nbsp; The above system works for roughly 80% of the monsters in the Monster Manual, everything except for Celestials, Devils, and Demons.&nbsp; Heck, even the dragons work out perfectly!Anyway, my tweaking and testing is still coming along nicely.&nbsp; How are your tests going?</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Anubis, post: 392762, member: 2358"] [b]Re: Examples?[/b] You are forgetting about the DM factor. If a DM is at all competent, the CRs and ECLs work out just fine as equal. Basically, the normal system assumes that a creature of a specific CR is a 20% challenge for four characters of the same level. With a good DM, this is true. What UK and I have done is basically taken it a step further and gone with the logical conclusion that if a creature of a specific CR is a 20% challenge for four characters of the same level, then CR and ECL MUST be the same. No. An SR of 10 is bascially worthless, as even a Level 1 Wizard can break through it 55% of the time. It is not worth consideration until SR 15. I think UK and I could probably agree on this one. You don't? Funny, more than half of them are the same as your proposals! (The main things that are nearly identical are the ECLs for Levels, Templates, Hit Dice, and most SAs and SQs, and to a certain extent, Divinity as well.) Those specific ones, except for the dragon, do indeed come out overestimated. Your system, however, doesn't do any better. I did the calculations, and your system overestimates those specific examples as much, if not more, than mine does! For examples, my Pit Fiend works out to ECL +19 (which is very close to being correct) . . . Yours works out to ECL +23! As such, I think both systems need minor tweaking, although I am currently a bit closer than you are. The above system works for roughly 80% of the monsters in the Monster Manual, everything except for Celestials, Devils, and Demons. Heck, even the dragons work out perfectly! Anyway, my tweaking and testing is still coming along nicely. How are your tests going? [/QUOTE]

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