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<blockquote data-quote="demiurgeastaroth" data-source="post: 394168" data-attributes="member: 7532">Re: Re: Examples?A non sequitor. It doesn't matter whether thje DM is &quot;good&quot; DM or a bad one, the numbers just don't add up.CR is, as you say, the rating a monster is given IF it challenges a group to the extent that they can expect to use 20% of their resources to fight it.Putting a single charecter (even a PC) up against a team of the same level is not this level of challenge - most commonly, the team will go through that character without breaking sweat. (The higher the level, more resources will be used so victory might not be instant - but greater resources are available).It's true that a cunning DM can make such a character an interesting challenge, in the same way he can make a squad of kobolds and interesting challenge in the right circumstances - but then the DM has the deck stacked in his favour. But he probably has to try harder to achieve this than if he were to use, say, a Troll.Put any of the Iconic 5th level characters up against a team of 5th level characters, then put that same team up against a Troll, an Ettin, a Phase Spider, a Large Elemental, a Djinn, a Greater Barghest, or a Basilisk. I expect the monsters will provide a noticeably more challenging encounter.(I chose 5th level purely because I know the CR 5 monsters fairly well; any level/CR comparison would do.)</blockquote>

[QUOTE="demiurgeastaroth, post: 394168, member: 7532"] [b]Re: Re: Examples?[/b] A non sequitor. It doesn't matter whether thje DM is "good" DM or a bad one, the numbers just don't add up. CR is, as you say, the rating a monster is given IF it challenges a group to the extent that they can expect to use 20% of their resources to fight it. Putting a single charecter (even a PC) up against a team of the same level is not this level of challenge - most commonly, the team will go through that character without breaking sweat. (The higher the level, more resources will be used so victory might not be instant - but greater resources are available). It's true that a cunning DM can make such a character an interesting challenge, in the same way he can make a squad of kobolds and interesting challenge in the right circumstances - but then the DM has the deck stacked in his favour. But he probably has to try harder to achieve this than if he were to use, say, a Troll. Put any of the Iconic 5th level characters up against a team of 5th level characters, then put that same team up against a Troll, an Ettin, a Phase Spider, a Large Elemental, a Djinn, a Greater Barghest, or a Basilisk. I expect the monsters will provide a [I]noticeably[/I] more challenging encounter. (I chose 5th level purely because I know the CR 5 monsters fairly well; any level/CR comparison would do.) [/QUOTE]

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