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<blockquote data-quote="ccooke" data-source="post: 6432650" data-attributes="member: 6695890">It's not a house rule and it's not contrary to the rules. It is a ruling, though. It's not contrary because nowhere is there a rule that says you can attack with shields. There are bits of flavour text imply attacking with a shield, but there is no actual text that says &quot;you can attack with a shield&quot; or &quot;a shield is a weapon&quot;. Without any such rule text, the only way that you can use a shield or spiked shield as a weapon is via the rules on improvised weapons, and no class as standard gets proficiency with improvised weapons.Note that there is specific text saying that everything on the Simple or Martial weapon lists is a weapon and that you can attack with them. Anyway, this is getting a little too much like repeated contradiction, so I will not be replying to any more messages on this (precise) point. I will happily cede you the last word, should you desire it <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f642.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":-)" title="Smile&nbsp; &nbsp; :-)"&nbsp; data-smilie="1"data-shortname=":-)" /></blockquote>

[QUOTE="ccooke, post: 6432650, member: 6695890"] It's not a house rule and it's not contrary to the rules. It [I]is[/I] a ruling, though. It's not contrary because nowhere is there a rule that says you can attack with shields. There are bits of flavour text imply attacking with a shield, but there is no actual text that says "you can attack with a shield" or "a shield is a weapon". Without any such rule text, the only way that you can use a shield or spiked shield as a weapon is via the rules on improvised weapons, and no class as standard gets proficiency with improvised weapons. Note that there [I]is[/I] specific text saying that everything on the Simple or Martial weapon lists is a weapon and that you can attack with them. Anyway, this is getting a little too much like repeated contradiction, so I will not be replying to any more messages on this (precise) point. I will happily cede you the last word, should you desire it :-) [/QUOTE]

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