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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Ridley's Cohort" data-source="post: 6436866" data-attributes="member: 545">I am just not understanding what bothers you.Everyone here is in agreement that expenditure of a feat might make a shield a somewhat effective weapon (even if there is no consensus yet on the details).But under all other likely scenarios employing a shield as a weapon is less effective than a dagger, because you are significantly penalized by the lack of proficiency bonus.  That is huge.  Why is it necessary to imagine reasons for denying the AC bonus?  What is the abusive scenario that must be deterred?  I am not seeing it.</blockquote>