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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Desdichado" data-source="post: 6250909" data-attributes="member: 2205">...While that's no doubt partially true, I also think that a lot of the enjoyment we get as customers from our games is in reading them and thinking about them and playing around with options, and doing other out-of-game tinkering.  In that regard, what we want is, to some extent, rules heavy games, because we do get enjoyment out of them. Just not, curiously, at the table.Although I'm a pretty rules-lighty type of guy, I do admit that the swan song of character customization options and huge lists of monsters sucks me in from time to time.  I never appreciate rules heavy at the table, but I don't regret the big pile of 3.5 and Pathfinder books on my shelf either.  And, from time to time, I get them out and read portions of them, or think about adapting them, or occasionally even using them.However, as a customer, I clearly spend the majority of my time buying rules heavy games.  I don't need to buy much for rules-light games (part of the conceit of rules light to begin with, after all).  And since I'm in a group where almost everyone in the group is at least a part-time GM, I don't get to play them as often as I'd like.</blockquote>