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<blockquote data-quote="Malmuria" data-source="post: 8371811" data-attributes="member: 7030755">For the past year, in my attempt to get away from what I consider a rules-medium game (5e), I've been really interested in very stripped-down, ultra rules light games (Knave, Maze Rats, Black Hack, Mork Borg which I've run, and then also Into the Odd and Cairn which I have not run).&nbsp; I've run some really great dungeon-crawling one shots, and have thought that if I ever run a longer hexcrawl campaign I would use one of those systems and focus more on interesting items than built-in character abilities.But I'm also coming to realize that players (myself included) not only enjoy some built-in abilities, but that character classes and abilities help create a character that is both grounded in the setting and thematically interesting.&nbsp; So here I've become interested in games that are or seem a little more built-out: OSE, white hack, worlds without number, or, inevitably, house-ruled 5e.*I'm curious if people have experience running long-ish osr games (say, 15+ sessions), what has been your experience re: ultralight, mostly classless games (like Knave) and games with a little more heft (white hack or ose)?&nbsp; Do you have to add in a bunch of stuff to the ultralight games in order to make them work for your setting (and is their hackability along those lines a pro or a con?).&nbsp; Thanks in advance!* (at which point I wonder, what is even the point, if all roads lead back to 5e...)</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Malmuria, post: 8371811, member: 7030755"] For the past year, in my attempt to get away from what I consider a rules-medium game (5e), I've been really interested in very stripped-down, ultra rules light games (Knave, Maze Rats, Black Hack, Mork Borg which I've run, and then also Into the Odd and Cairn which I have not run). I've run some really great dungeon-crawling one shots, and have thought that if I ever run a longer hexcrawl campaign I would use one of those systems and focus more on interesting items than built-in character abilities. But I'm also coming to realize that players (myself included) not only enjoy some built-in abilities, but that character classes and abilities help create a character that is both grounded in the setting and thematically interesting. So here I've become interested in games that are or seem a little more built-out: OSE, white hack, worlds without number, or, inevitably, house-ruled 5e.* I'm curious if people have experience running long-ish osr games (say, 15+ sessions), what has been your experience re: ultralight, mostly classless games (like Knave) and games with a little more heft (white hack or ose)? Do you have to add in a bunch of stuff to the ultralight games in order to make them work for your setting (and is their hackability along those lines a pro or a con?). Thanks in advance! * (at which point I wonder, what is even the point, if all roads lead back to 5e...) [/QUOTE]

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