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Rules of the Game: Sneak Attacks part 3
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<blockquote data-quote="tauton_ikhnos" data-source="post: 1400403" data-attributes="member: 16195"><p>Please read post in context. For your convenience, I will break it out for you:</p><p></p><p></p><p>This section is correct RAW. It shows that blindness and total concealment do not cause AoOs. Notice that barbarian is fending off "potential AoOs" from invisible opponents as well. Notice that this agrees completely with your "correction" - closing your eyes would simply make all opponents invisible, and you would still take flanking penalties.</p><p></p><p>Do you understand that we are in complete agreement up to this point?</p><p></p><p>Then, section which you quoted out of context, where I state what I would do, <em>against the spirit of the correct and true and holy rules</em>:</p><p></p><p>Notice that this is an <em>alternative</em>, and is in direct conflict to a direct interpretation of the rules <em>in prior two paragraphs</em>. I apologize if this was not evident to you, or if I gave you the impression that I am that stupid.</p><p></p><p></p><p>Understand threaten rules just fine. You disagree with me on <em>theory</em> of <em>why</em> threaten rules work the way they do. I will examine this below:</p><p></p><p></p><p>By this philosophy, a 16th level fighter swings his sword exactly once every 1.5 seconds. Attacks per round only measures <em>potential successful hits</em>, not <em>every possible attempt</em>. Why is there no option to swing wildly? I can swing wildly every 0.5 seconds, which would give me 12 attacks in a single round, and at best, I am 2nd level Expert <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f609.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=";)" title="Wink ;)" data-smilie="2"data-shortname=";)" />.</p><p></p><p>If you are not <em>actively engaged in combat</em>, you are flat-footed. While you are flat-footed, you can not take an AoO, and do not threaten. The game <em>assumes</em> you are actively engaged as soon as you get your initiative. It also assumes that you are looking for openings.</p><p></p><p>The invisible opponents gets a certain number of <em>potentially successful hits</em> per round, but that does not mean he is just "standing around" during the periods that it isn't his turn. That is just silly.</p><p></p><p></p><p>He can never once <em>make a potentially successful attack</em>, but if you think he is not maneuvering his sword to threaten the barbarian, you have a very funny idea of what combat looks like.</p><p></p><p></p><p>I think so. You?</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="tauton_ikhnos, post: 1400403, member: 16195"] Please read post in context. For your convenience, I will break it out for you: This section is correct RAW. It shows that blindness and total concealment do not cause AoOs. Notice that barbarian is fending off "potential AoOs" from invisible opponents as well. Notice that this agrees completely with your "correction" - closing your eyes would simply make all opponents invisible, and you would still take flanking penalties. Do you understand that we are in complete agreement up to this point? Then, section which you quoted out of context, where I state what I would do, [i]against the spirit of the correct and true and holy rules[/i]: Notice that this is an [i]alternative[/i], and is in direct conflict to a direct interpretation of the rules [i]in prior two paragraphs[/i]. I apologize if this was not evident to you, or if I gave you the impression that I am that stupid. Understand threaten rules just fine. You disagree with me on [i]theory[/i] of [i]why[/i] threaten rules work the way they do. I will examine this below: By this philosophy, a 16th level fighter swings his sword exactly once every 1.5 seconds. Attacks per round only measures [i]potential successful hits[/i], not [i]every possible attempt[/i]. Why is there no option to swing wildly? I can swing wildly every 0.5 seconds, which would give me 12 attacks in a single round, and at best, I am 2nd level Expert ;). If you are not [i]actively engaged in combat[/i], you are flat-footed. While you are flat-footed, you can not take an AoO, and do not threaten. The game [i]assumes[/i] you are actively engaged as soon as you get your initiative. It also assumes that you are looking for openings. The invisible opponents gets a certain number of [i]potentially successful hits[/i] per round, but that does not mean he is just "standing around" during the periods that it isn't his turn. That is just silly. He can never once [i]make a potentially successful attack[/i], but if you think he is not maneuvering his sword to threaten the barbarian, you have a very funny idea of what combat looks like. I think so. You? [/QUOTE]
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