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<blockquote data-quote="DarkMaster" data-source="post: 1402722" data-attributes="member: 16362">Well from the visible rule:The visible rule: &quot;You get a flanking bonus from any ally your foe can see (and who is in the correct position to flank). If your foe can't see you, you don't provide a flanking bonus to any ally.&quot; as I and you said before this rule is stupid and would make more sense if &quot;see&quot; could be replaced by &quot;aware&quot;. Therefore by ignoring the gobelin you would deny the flanking bonus from the gobelin and the ogre. It is a bit similar to closing your eyes with more logic.&nbsp;A good fighter should not bother with a gobelin and focus a 100% on the big foe which could be represented with &quot;ignoring&quot; the gobelin. From what I understand from skip is that the defender is taking action to handle both foe at the same time therefore his defense is not as effective. That seems to explain the origin of the flanking bonus and not the fact that his opponents are attacking on each side as it was before. This is a major change in interpretation that needs to be fully reviewed. That can penalised rogues since you could decide to focus your attention on him and ignore the other opponents(not always a wise descision but ...) therefore denying him of his SA. I like to understand the rules not just apply them. It allow me to come up with situation like that, allowing more option to my PC and NPC.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="DarkMaster, post: 1402722, member: 16362"] Well from the visible rule: The visible rule: "You get a flanking bonus from any ally your foe can see (and who is in the correct position to flank). If your foe can't see you, you don't provide a flanking bonus to any ally." as I and you said before this rule is stupid and would make more sense if "see" could be replaced by "aware". Therefore by ignoring the gobelin you would deny the flanking bonus from the gobelin and the ogre. It is a bit similar to closing your eyes with more logic. A good fighter should not bother with a gobelin and focus a 100% on the big foe which could be represented with "ignoring" the gobelin. From what I understand from skip is that the defender is taking action to handle both foe at the same time therefore his defense is not as effective. That seems to explain the origin of the flanking bonus and not the fact that his opponents are attacking on each side as it was before. This is a major change in interpretation that needs to be fully reviewed. That can penalised rogues since you could decide to focus your attention on him and ignore the other opponents(not always a wise descision but ...) therefore denying him of his SA. I like to understand the rules not just apply them. It allow me to come up with situation like that, allowing more option to my PC and NPC. [/QUOTE]

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