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<blockquote data-quote="Hypersmurf" data-source="post: 1402827" data-attributes="member: 1656">I didn't say that.&nbsp; I don't think the rule is necessarily stupid; I just think it's unsupported.And the problem with &quot;aware&quot; is that you need to define it.&nbsp; Is it a/ &quot;knowledge of the opponent's position&quot;?&nbsp; Is it b/ &quot;retention of Dex bonus&quot;?&nbsp; Is it c/ &quot;awareness that there is an invisible opponent&quot;?The problem with b and c is that we're saying that Flanking relies on perception, and yet in neither of these cases is it required that the creature knows where the opponent is.&nbsp; So if all you know is &quot;two people are attacking me&quot;, and one of them is invisible, they will always be considered flanking, no matter what their relative positions.&nbsp; Because position isn't important; perception is.&nbsp; Right.&nbsp; See &quot;Turning the back&quot; under Gaze Attacks.Except that he still requires the opponents to be on either side... he just also requires that the defender can see the one who isn't attacking him.(Whether or not he can see the one who is attacking him is irrelevant.)-Hyp.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Hypersmurf, post: 1402827, member: 1656"] I didn't say that. I don't think the rule is necessarily [i]stupid[/i]; I just think it's unsupported. And the problem with "aware" is that you need to define it. Is it a/ "knowledge of the opponent's position"? Is it b/ "retention of Dex bonus"? Is it c/ "awareness that there is an invisible opponent"? The problem with b and c is that we're saying that Flanking relies on perception, and yet in neither of these cases is it required that the creature knows [i]where[/i] the opponent is. So if all you know is "two people are attacking me", and one of them is invisible, they will always be considered flanking, no matter what their relative positions. Because position isn't important; [i]perception[/i] is. Right. See "Turning the back" under Gaze Attacks. Except that he still requires the opponents to be on either side... he just also requires that the defender can see the one who isn't attacking him. (Whether or not he can see the one who [i]is[/i] attacking him is irrelevant.) -Hyp. [/QUOTE]

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