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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Gryph" data-source="post: 5715146" data-attributes="member: 98071">And if that cool Paragon Path or ED gives them a way to trivialize the getting over the obstacle then more power to them. To me, Undying Warrior doesn't imply oiled rope climbing champion.   Yep the fighter who keeps improving his strength will find it easier to climb as he levels the way I set DCs. The level 21 Wizard still has a strength of 8 and is still carrying some gear and I think he should still struggle to climb a rope. Let him use some of his now vast magically resources to overcome the challenge, it's ridiculous for him to be trying to climb. By level 21, the typical fighter will have spent about as much time doing challenging climbs as a good weekend for an expert free climber. I find the notion that slaughtering my foes with my weapons makes me a better climber, to be laughable. If you like the super hero style of high level play that's cool and I would never try to talk you out of it. I prefer my heroes to still be mortal, even at high levels.</blockquote>