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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Oofta" data-source="post: 8849160" data-attributes="member: 6801845">Who, me, sarcastic about the exact same topic brought up the umpteenth time?  I apologize that it came across as overly harsh but we're just not going to agree.[SPOILER="Hide and Hidden"]HIDDEN [CONDITION]While you are Hidden, you experience thefollowing effects:Concealed. You aren’t affected by any effect thatrequires its target to be seenSurprise. If you are Hidden when you rollInitiative, you have Advantage on the roll.Attacks Affected. Attack Rolls against you haveDisadvantage, and your Attack Rolls haveAdvantage.Ending the Condition. The Condition ends onyou immediately after any of the followingoccurrences: you make a sound louder than awhisper, an enemy finds you, you make anAttack Roll, you cast a Spell with a verbalcomponent, or you aren’t Heavily Obscured orbehind any Cover.HIDE [ACTION]With the Hide Action, you try to conceal yourself.To do so, you must make a DC 15 DexterityCheck (Stealth) while you’re Heavily Obscured orbehind Three-Quarters Cover or Total Cover, andyou must be out of any visible enemy’s line ofsight; if you can see a creature, you can discernwhether it can see you.On a successful check, you are Hidden. Makenote of your check’s total, which becomes the DCfor a creature to find you with a Wisdom Check(Perception).[/SPOILER]In any case I can summarize again. There are bad DMs. No amount of rules will make a bad DM any better.  If a DM doesn't want anyone to hide ever there will simply be no options to hide.  Meanwhile more rules frequently makes it more difficult for good DMs because it takes away their freedom to tell engaging stories.  While the wording is a bit confusing, my understanding is that you can take the hide action DC 15 Dex to become hidden which is now a condition.  So what happens if one guard A could see you soon because they're walking your way but guard B doesn't have a chance to see you?  Perhaps you can take guard A out or cast silence before they can raise the alarm.  But with the new rules it doesn't matter because hidden is a condition: once guard A sees you, you lose the condition whether or not they have a chance to raise the alarm.There will always be mother may I issue because the DM is the one establishing the environment.  More rules have never improved bad DMs.  Feel free to disagree.</blockquote>

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