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<blockquote data-quote="Systole" data-source="post: 6159271" data-attributes="member: 93930">You don't have to be level 2 to drop a shield.&nbsp; Dropping a shield is a free action.&nbsp; You have to be level 2 to DRAW a shield as part of your move assuming you are not a ranger, fighter, paladin, or barbarian (or anyone with a +1 base attack bonus at first level).To me, it sounds as if there are a couple problems.1. Your power gamer is bad.&nbsp; It's one thing if the power gamer knows what he's talking about.&nbsp; If he's willing to argue for a half hour over a point where he's clearly and absolutely in the wrong, you want this guy the hell out of your group.2. You (i.e. you the GM and the other players) seem to have a playstyle which is at odds with this guy.&nbsp; Nothing wrong with this -- some guys want RP, some guys want RNG.&nbsp; The trick is finding other people who want what you want.&nbsp; So it seems like perhaps he should find a different group.My advice is just to go for the nuclear option and move on.&nbsp; Kick him out.&nbsp; Do it nicely if he's a friend or you'd feel uncomfortable being a d***. The reason I say this is that these things never get better.&nbsp; I mean that in the absolute sense of the word.&nbsp; I am almost 40.&nbsp; I have been working for 20 years and I have been playing RPGs for over 25.&nbsp; I have many times ended up playing/living/working/interacting with d-bags, but I have NEVER seen a 'sort of' d-bag spontaneously transmogrify into a wonderful person or a wonderful player.&nbsp; If you think that maybe somebody is 'sort of' a d-bag, what that means is that this guy is actually a complete d-bag but you're just trying really hard to think nice thoughts about him.&nbsp; If you want to be a good GM, sometimes that means being the bad guy and telling him that he's fired.&nbsp; Your players probably will never thank you for it, but they will appreciate it.Also, I suggest you read the <a href="http://linuxmafia.com/faq/Essays/five-geek-social-fallacies.html" target="_blank">Five Geek Social Fallacies</a>, because it feels like a few are in play here.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Systole, post: 6159271, member: 93930"] You don't have to be level 2 to drop a shield. Dropping a shield is a free action. You have to be level 2 to DRAW a shield as part of your move assuming you are not a ranger, fighter, paladin, or barbarian (or anyone with a +1 base attack bonus at first level). To me, it sounds as if there are a couple problems. 1. Your power gamer is bad. It's one thing if the power gamer knows what he's talking about. If he's willing to argue for a half hour over a point where he's clearly and absolutely in the wrong, you want this guy the hell out of your group. 2. You (i.e. you the GM and the other players) seem to have a playstyle which is at odds with this guy. Nothing wrong with this -- some guys want RP, some guys want RNG. The trick is finding other people who want what you want. So it seems like perhaps he should find a different group. My advice is just to go for the nuclear option and move on. Kick him out. Do it nicely if he's a friend or you'd feel uncomfortable being a d***. The reason I say this is that these things [U]never[/U] get better. I mean that in the absolute sense of the word. I am almost 40. I have been working for 20 years and I have been playing RPGs for over 25. I have many times ended up playing/living/working/interacting with d-bags, but I have NEVER seen a 'sort of' d-bag spontaneously transmogrify into a wonderful person or a wonderful player. If you think that maybe somebody is 'sort of' a d-bag, what that means is that this guy is actually a [U]complete[/U] d-bag but you're just trying really hard to think nice thoughts about him. If you want to be a good GM, sometimes that means being the bad guy and telling him that he's fired. Your players probably will never thank you for it, but they will appreciate it. Also, I suggest you read the [URL="http://linuxmafia.com/faq/Essays/five-geek-social-fallacies.html"]Five Geek Social Fallacies[/URL], because it feels like a few are in play here. [/QUOTE]

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