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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Daelin_Farseer" data-source="post: 394646" data-attributes="member: 7501">Super SaiyajinTwo points of note:Actually, Gohan did try and fail to become a super saiyajin on at least one (visible) occasion.  This, of course, does depend on your definition of fail, but it is arguable that for the first several months that Gohan and Goku spent in the alternate dimension, Gohan tried and failed several times to turn into a super saiyajin.Also, it is commonly held, online at least, that the SSJ3 form is one that can only be attained through training.  No form of anger-driven powerup or magical boost (as in the case of Majin Vegita being able to achieve SSJ2) can elevate someone's power to that point.  I don't have an episode reference for this one, but I only own DVD's up to the creation of Vegitto and don't generally trust the content of the American dubbed versions of the episodes.Next, Goku indicates in the episode where he turns SSJ3 that he 'isn't used to the transformation' (from memory and the subbed, DVD, version).  He has obviously transformed that way before, and the length of time that the transformation requires is debatable.And finally, there is some support to the idea that powering up to the SSJ level -is- a trainable skill, provided sufficient power exists.  When quizzed by Mirai Trunks after his arrival on Earth, Goku states (again, from memory) that '..at first, I couldn't transform unless I was angry, but then it got easier..'.  Thing is, we never actually -see- any of this on screen.  In almost every case, we either see an initial transformation or one that the protagonists are very comfortable with.  It's all this 'behind the scenes' stuff that otherwise complicates the issue.</blockquote>

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