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<blockquote data-quote="Daelin_Farseer" data-source="post: 395080" data-attributes="member: 7501">Re: Re: Super SaiyajinYou didn't make your position clear on this before.&nbsp; It is (obviously) true that once the transformation happens, it can happen again.That's circular reasoning.&nbsp; It requires training to achieve a level of power that supports the SSJ powerup, but no amount of training (alone) will allow anyone to transform into the first two versions.&nbsp; The third powerup does not require the same anger trigger...it's a powerup more in line (IMO) with Frieza's transformations...requiring a certain amount of effort, training, and yes, time.As mentioned previously, all this is off camera.&nbsp; We only see Vegita's initial transformation, and then again when he fights against the artificial humans...nothing intermediary.&nbsp; Goten and Trunks are obviously well accustomed to the change...again, we never see their first transformations.&nbsp; I think you're seeing exactly what you want to see...and so am I.&nbsp; I see sufficient evidence in the series to suggest that the SSJ transformation is a skill (after the initial, anger-triggered one), that must be trained before it comes as naturally as our protagonists make it out to be.This, at least, I fully agree with. <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f642.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":)" title="Smile&nbsp; &nbsp; :)"&nbsp; data-smilie="1"data-shortname=":)" /></blockquote>

[QUOTE="Daelin_Farseer, post: 395080, member: 7501"] [b]Re: Re: Super Saiyajin[/b] You didn't make your position clear on this before. It is (obviously) true that once the transformation happens, it can happen again. That's circular reasoning. It requires training to achieve a level of power that supports the SSJ powerup, but no amount of training (alone) will allow anyone to transform into the first two versions. The third powerup does not require the same anger trigger...it's a powerup more in line (IMO) with Frieza's transformations...requiring a certain amount of effort, training, and yes, time. As mentioned previously, all this is off camera. We only see Vegita's initial transformation, and then again when he fights against the artificial humans...nothing intermediary. Goten and Trunks are obviously well accustomed to the change...again, we never see their first transformations. I think you're seeing exactly what you want to see...and so am I. I see sufficient evidence in the series to suggest that the SSJ transformation is a skill (after the initial, anger-triggered one), that must be trained before it comes as naturally as our protagonists make it out to be. This, at least, I fully agree with. :) [/QUOTE]

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