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<blockquote data-quote="Anime Kidd" data-source="post: 430034" data-attributes="member: 881"><p>I read the thread, but I may have skipped a few things. Readin' the board or 4am isn't really good. <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f61b.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":p" title="Stick out tongue :p" data-smilie="7"data-shortname=":p" /> I can see you have put forth many-an-hour on this and it is good, but too powerful for my tatses. <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f600.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":D" title="Big grin :D" data-smilie="8"data-shortname=":D" /> And when you keep saying "Saiyans are usable in nearly any campaign" I can't help but smile.</p><p></p><p>And now the Saiyans. Yeah I think they are way to powerful. 8 HD? I think they are tough, but thats a bit much. I was thinkin natural armor or damage resistance, similar to the barbarian ability. Whats with their bite attack? Im assuming its for Oozaru form. As for Oozaru, it should be Gargantuan, not Colossal, as they are about 40 ft. tall with 'monkey-power'. At least thats what on the net.</p><p></p><p>The Saiyan Warrior/Elite shouldn't be classes. The Saiyan Warrior class could be replaced with a ki-using martial artist class. The Saiyan Elite is more of a social thing, kinda like being a low-class noble.</p><p></p><p>I personally think that most of the characters in DBZ, saiyans included, gain the bulk of their powers from a class and only when they are 'powered up', by using their ki/power level. The power level is their reserve of energy and when its empty, they are exhausted. This could be presented in a pool of ki points or what not, maybe even taking subdual damage when using such powers, tiring them out faster. As your saiyans stand now, there is no way for them to become exhausted, like how Vegeta was when fighting Recoome, unless that happens at negative HPs.</p><p></p><p>As I was writing this post, I was looking over my DBZ conversion. I placed Saiyans at +8 ECL! <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f61b.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":p" title="Stick out tongue :p" data-smilie="7"data-shortname=":p" /> With Half-Saiyans ECL +5, 1/4 Saiyans ECL +3, and Nameks at +5. Though I do admit that I have never tested my conversion and just guessed at the ECLs.</p><p>My Oozaru form has about half the stat bonuses/penalties of yours: +20 Str, +10 Con, -10 Dex, and Int is dropped to 3.</p><p></p><p>Anyways, this thread is making me want to go through my own D20 DBZ again and make it into full-blown D20. *sigh* Another project to go along with all my the other project. <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f600.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":D" title="Big grin :D" data-smilie="8"data-shortname=":D" /></p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Anime Kidd, post: 430034, member: 881"] I read the thread, but I may have skipped a few things. Readin' the board or 4am isn't really good. :p I can see you have put forth many-an-hour on this and it is good, but too powerful for my tatses. :D And when you keep saying "Saiyans are usable in nearly any campaign" I can't help but smile. And now the Saiyans. Yeah I think they are way to powerful. 8 HD? I think they are tough, but thats a bit much. I was thinkin natural armor or damage resistance, similar to the barbarian ability. Whats with their bite attack? Im assuming its for Oozaru form. As for Oozaru, it should be Gargantuan, not Colossal, as they are about 40 ft. tall with 'monkey-power'. At least thats what on the net. The Saiyan Warrior/Elite shouldn't be classes. The Saiyan Warrior class could be replaced with a ki-using martial artist class. The Saiyan Elite is more of a social thing, kinda like being a low-class noble. I personally think that most of the characters in DBZ, saiyans included, gain the bulk of their powers from a class and only when they are 'powered up', by using their ki/power level. The power level is their reserve of energy and when its empty, they are exhausted. This could be presented in a pool of ki points or what not, maybe even taking subdual damage when using such powers, tiring them out faster. As your saiyans stand now, there is no way for them to become exhausted, like how Vegeta was when fighting Recoome, unless that happens at negative HPs. As I was writing this post, I was looking over my DBZ conversion. I placed Saiyans at +8 ECL! :p With Half-Saiyans ECL +5, 1/4 Saiyans ECL +3, and Nameks at +5. Though I do admit that I have never tested my conversion and just guessed at the ECLs. My Oozaru form has about half the stat bonuses/penalties of yours: +20 Str, +10 Con, -10 Dex, and Int is dropped to 3. Anyways, this thread is making me want to go through my own D20 DBZ again and make it into full-blown D20. *sigh* Another project to go along with all my the other project. :D [/QUOTE]
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