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Message: <blockquote data-quote="sagetim" data-source="post: 992646" data-attributes="member: 13004">in response to the one hoping that toonami didnt butcher dbz episodes, they did, they edited languange and violence levels, its sad really, becasue watching the episodes first subtitled i found them much better than the dubbed ones, even if some did sound a bit effeminate.......if someone already made a rant about this, sory, i kinda skimmed the last of the 3rd page and have yet to read 4th.......ohterwise, i would say that the saiyan race could stand alone with the monklike abilities and adaptation (the thing where they get the +1 str and con and the xp) and be an ecl of 4or so.....maybe just maybe less, probably more like 8 i am not sure....in anycase i would like to say that this is the first post i have made on this site (b/c just got membership) and that i have been following this post for quite a while........one thing on the vegeta str score of 30........thats just wrong, a halfork lvl 20 could overpower him, (assuming starting with 18 base str) then add +2 for halforcishness, (20) 5 for the class lvls (25) and a +5 inherent bonus for the easily puchasable book of str (137000 gp, in dmg, not its real name, cant remember that......) and you have a lvl 20 character that would be equal to vegeta in natural strength, in adding magical enhanced str, look in DMG and ELH the things called 'guantlest of ogre power' help (+2 str) as does the belt of giant str (+6 str) (both in dmg) the epic version of the belt can grant anywhere from +8-+12 str, there are items for each ability score, gloves of dex, cloak of cha, periapt of wis (necklace) , headband of intellect, somethingie of con, gloves and blets of str, and it goes ontho, if you want more powerful ones, that can be calculated (rules in ELH) seriously, if you ever wanted to enhance a character, just hord some gold and buy the equipment, or, if a spellcaster or whatnot, make it cheaper (at expense of XP) i could go on, but that would be a waste of space, as i am ranting......in anycase, have a good day everyone and dont incur the stabbity revenge of blackmage (at nuklearpower.com )</blockquote>

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