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<blockquote data-quote="Zerovoid" data-source="post: 65720" data-attributes="member: 283">I think suggesting that 100 bugbears kill each other while they're in the middle of a pitched battle with a dangerous foe is impossibly far from reasonable no matter how you word the question.&nbsp; This is not a subtle suggestion along the lines of &quot;Let us mutually go loot treasure elsewhere.&quot;&nbsp; While convincing the bugbears that someone is stealing from them might work, that probably wouldn't be enough to make them break off their attack on you and attack their superiors.&nbsp; That isn't reasonable.&nbsp; In this situation, I would try something like, &quot;We're all very dangerous, and killing is would be too costly for you, please give us the chance to surrender, and we'll all be better off.&quot;I would also point out, dominate person, a higher level spell than suggestion, allows an extra save if you force the victim to attack their friends.&nbsp; Lastly, this seems like a clever tactic now, and you were probably looking for an out to avoid killing the whole party, but if it works once, it has to work everytime.&nbsp; Would you want your PC's opening up every fight with &quot;Kill all your allies!&quot;&nbsp; I know I wouldn't, and I don't think the spell was intended to be used this way.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Zerovoid, post: 65720, member: 283"] I think suggesting that 100 bugbears kill each other while they're in the middle of a pitched battle with a dangerous foe is impossibly far from reasonable no matter how you word the question. This is not a subtle suggestion along the lines of "Let us mutually go loot treasure elsewhere." While convincing the bugbears that someone is stealing from them might work, that probably wouldn't be enough to make them break off their attack on you and attack their superiors. That isn't reasonable. In this situation, I would try something like, "We're all very dangerous, and killing is would be too costly for you, please give us the chance to surrender, and we'll all be better off." I would also point out, dominate person, a higher level spell than suggestion, allows an extra save if you force the victim to attack their friends. Lastly, this seems like a clever tactic now, and you were probably looking for an out to avoid killing the whole party, but if it works once, it has to work everytime. Would you want your PC's opening up every fight with "Kill all your allies!" I know I wouldn't, and I don't think the spell was intended to be used this way. [/QUOTE]

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