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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Grog" data-source="post: 3238527" data-attributes="member: 6183">Ray of Enfeeblement is the most broken spell in the game. Period. It's not too bad at lower levels, but at higher levels, the fact that it doesn't allow a saving throw turns any encounter with a single meele-based creature into a complete joke. With one ranged touch attack (ridiculously easy at high levels) you can slap a -10 penalty to Str on that fighter charging you and laugh as he flails ineffectually at your tank.In fact, let's do some quick math here:15th level fighter w/greatsword and 26 Str - +to hit is 15 BAB, 8 Str, 2 focus and 4 magic for +29/+24/+19 and 2d6+20 (w/greater weapon spec) damage.Swinging at 15th level tank with AC 32 (12 +5 mithril full plate,  3 Dex, +3 ring of protection, +3 amulet of natural armor, +1 dodge feat), with 150 hit points.Off the cuff calculations ignoring crits:First attack hits 90% of the time for 27 average damage = 24.3 average damageSecond attack hits 65% of the time, same damage = 17.55 average damageThird attack hits 40% of the time, same damage = 10.8 average damageThat's 53 damage per round on average. He could drop the tank in 3 rounds.Now hit him with a Ray of Enfeeblement dropping his Strength to 16. This makes him +24/+19/+14 doing 2d6+12 damage.First attack now hits 65% of the time for 19 average damage = 12.35 average damageSecond attack now hits 40% of the time, same damage = 7.6 average damageThird attack now hits 15% of the time, same damage = 2.85 average damageThat's 23 average damage per round. Ray of enfeeblement cuts his damage by more than half. It'll now take him 7 rounds to drop the tank, and he'll be dead long before then.One first level spell turns this fearsome opponent into a complete joke. Empower it and things get even more laughable.This is simply way too much impact for a first level spell to have. It needs to be severely toned down.</blockquote>

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