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<blockquote data-quote="Felix" data-source="post: 3241233" data-attributes="member: 3929"><p>What you left out in your math was that while one fighter had a wizard ally casting an effectively maximized* <em>Ray of Enfeeblement</em>, the other fighter did not have a wizard ally casting a similar spell to aid him.</p><p></p><p>So let's see what 4th level and lower spells we can find to even the fight out.</p><p></p><p>Furthermore, let's name them:</p><p></p><p>Andy the Tank and Billy the Wizard.</p><p>Yos the Fighter and Zed the Sorcerer.</p><p></p><p>Billy casts a [Maximized] <em>Ray of Enfeeblement</em> on Yos. What can Zed cast on Andy to even the playing field?</p><p></p><p><em>Enervation</em></p><p><em>Greater Invisibility</em></p><p><em>Displacement</em></p><p><em>Resilient Sphere</em></p><p><em>Scorching Ray</em></p><p><em>Confusion</em></p><p><em>Hold Person</em></p><p><em>Tasha's Hideous Laughter</em></p><p><em>Summon Monster IV</em> [Celestial Lion, Fiendish Dire Wolf]</p><p><em>Summon Monster III</em> [Fiendish Ape, Fiendish Constrictor]</p><p><em>Stoneskin</em></p><p><em>Dispel Magic</em></p><p></p><p>Each one of these spells is equivalent in level to the effect you applied to Yos. And as a fighter, I would rather have my arcane backup cast <em>any</em> one of these spells than cast a <em>Ray of Enfeeblement</em>.</p><p></p><p>Yes, Grog, you did "math", but if you're going to allow one side to have a certian level of firepower, you must allow the other side it as well to determine if it's overpowered. You might as well say that a +3 Sword is overpowered because when you fight opponents that don't have one you have a "we win" button.</p><p></p><p>*It is not quite a [Maximized] <em>Ray of Enfeeblement</em>, but after assuming that the ray hit (after they are engaged in melee), and assuming that the wizard will roll a 5 or higher, I get to strech this a litte. And if what you applied is not quite a +3 spell level adjustment, about half of the spells listed are 3rd and not 4th level spells.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Felix, post: 3241233, member: 3929"] What you left out in your math was that while one fighter had a wizard ally casting an effectively maximized* [i]Ray of Enfeeblement[/i], the other fighter did not have a wizard ally casting a similar spell to aid him. So let's see what 4th level and lower spells we can find to even the fight out. Furthermore, let's name them: Andy the Tank and Billy the Wizard. Yos the Fighter and Zed the Sorcerer. Billy casts a [Maximized] [i]Ray of Enfeeblement[/i] on Yos. What can Zed cast on Andy to even the playing field? [i]Enervation Greater Invisibility Displacement Resilient Sphere Scorching Ray Confusion Hold Person Tasha's Hideous Laughter Summon Monster IV[/i] [Celestial Lion, Fiendish Dire Wolf] [i]Summon Monster III[/i] [Fiendish Ape, Fiendish Constrictor] [i]Stoneskin Dispel Magic[/i] Each one of these spells is equivalent in level to the effect you applied to Yos. And as a fighter, I would rather have my arcane backup cast [i]any[/i] one of these spells than cast a [i]Ray of Enfeeblement[/i]. Yes, Grog, you did "math", but if you're going to allow one side to have a certian level of firepower, you must allow the other side it as well to determine if it's overpowered. You might as well say that a +3 Sword is overpowered because when you fight opponents that don't have one you have a "we win" button. *It is not quite a [Maximized] [i]Ray of Enfeeblement[/i], but after assuming that the ray hit (after they are engaged in melee), and assuming that the wizard will roll a 5 or higher, I get to strech this a litte. And if what you applied is not quite a +3 spell level adjustment, about half of the spells listed are 3rd and not 4th level spells. [/QUOTE]
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