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<blockquote data-quote="tenkar" data-source="post: 3881520" data-attributes="member: 15047"><p>No flames here. Differing opinions only.</p><p></p><p>How do you control "crunch" prior to its publication? How do you set guidelines for rules? I understand how you can put some manner of control over the type of "fluff" that comes out, but "crunch" is hard to put limits on prior to it being published.</p><p></p><p>Guidelines work best when they give black and white restrictions... just like the decency clause you mentioned.</p><p></p><p>What kind of restrictions can we expect in the "crunch" department? No new classes? Feats? Spells? Magic Items? This is where the "crunch" falls apart... if you restrict innovations you not only stop the bad but the good as well.</p><p></p><p>If I publish a hardcover book with 10 magic items that are poorly balanced, the crunch is inconsistent, with fluff that contradicts itself and bloats to 96 pages for $34.95 BUT I comply with the guidelines of the D20 license... well, I'd be a publisher that wouldn't be in business long but might make some nice profit with some early releases. (Hey, its been done <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f609.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=";)" title="Wink ;)" data-smilie="2"data-shortname=";)" /> </p><p></p><p>No matter the guidelines garbage like this will only be prevented by pre-editing by WotC... a situation I am sure they have no intention of ever getting into. Nor do I blame them. Why should they edit, even for a fee, a product that they do not own? Product that may very well compete with a similar product of their own (imagine the temptation to torpedo a product that may steal shelf space from similar WotC product)</p><p></p><p>The now defunct rumor from Italy in which the top tier 3rd party publishers would get the D20 license, and lesser 3rd tier could either go to the top tier to publish under their D20 rights, or publish on their own via the OGL was intriguing. It gave WotC distance from possible troublesome works while still keeping a fairly tight influence on products that would hit the shelves with a D20 logo.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="tenkar, post: 3881520, member: 15047"] No flames here. Differing opinions only. How do you control "crunch" prior to its publication? How do you set guidelines for rules? I understand how you can put some manner of control over the type of "fluff" that comes out, but "crunch" is hard to put limits on prior to it being published. Guidelines work best when they give black and white restrictions... just like the decency clause you mentioned. What kind of restrictions can we expect in the "crunch" department? No new classes? Feats? Spells? Magic Items? This is where the "crunch" falls apart... if you restrict innovations you not only stop the bad but the good as well. If I publish a hardcover book with 10 magic items that are poorly balanced, the crunch is inconsistent, with fluff that contradicts itself and bloats to 96 pages for $34.95 BUT I comply with the guidelines of the D20 license... well, I'd be a publisher that wouldn't be in business long but might make some nice profit with some early releases. (Hey, its been done ;) No matter the guidelines garbage like this will only be prevented by pre-editing by WotC... a situation I am sure they have no intention of ever getting into. Nor do I blame them. Why should they edit, even for a fee, a product that they do not own? Product that may very well compete with a similar product of their own (imagine the temptation to torpedo a product that may steal shelf space from similar WotC product) The now defunct rumor from Italy in which the top tier 3rd party publishers would get the D20 license, and lesser 3rd tier could either go to the top tier to publish under their D20 rights, or publish on their own via the OGL was intriguing. It gave WotC distance from possible troublesome works while still keeping a fairly tight influence on products that would hit the shelves with a D20 logo. [/QUOTE]
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