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<blockquote data-quote="Gaiden" data-source="post: 1442175" data-attributes="member: 103"><p>While this is subject to DM arbitration (is that a word?) with such limited use of persistent spell, no one in their right mind would ever take it as it is pretty much only useful for divine favor as so many have pointed out. Rather, they would just research a 7th level spell that gave a +1 luck bonus to attack and damage/3 levels for 24 hours - or heck one hour per level so that extend spell would be useful.</p><p></p><p>DM's would of course be free to nix the research (just as they are free to nix the feat). However, from a player's perspective the "new" 7th level spell would be much more cost efficient than either CWI or PS.</p><p></p><p>With this in mind, I am surprised Wizards didn't just make such a spell and perhaps even make it higher level than 7th. This way they could keep the feat (and have it not apply to the <strong>ONE SPELL</strong> that the metamagic has caused so much abuse from) at +4 levels which is far more reasonable.</p><p></p><p>Call me the nay-sayer, but even in 3.0 I thought Persistent spell was a tossup with Quicken. Sure, quicken uses more spell slots per day. But quicken doesn't suffer from dispel magic like persistent does, is more versatile, and only takes up one feat, not two.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Gaiden, post: 1442175, member: 103"] While this is subject to DM arbitration (is that a word?) with such limited use of persistent spell, no one in their right mind would ever take it as it is pretty much only useful for divine favor as so many have pointed out. Rather, they would just research a 7th level spell that gave a +1 luck bonus to attack and damage/3 levels for 24 hours - or heck one hour per level so that extend spell would be useful. DM's would of course be free to nix the research (just as they are free to nix the feat). However, from a player's perspective the "new" 7th level spell would be much more cost efficient than either CWI or PS. With this in mind, I am surprised Wizards didn't just make such a spell and perhaps even make it higher level than 7th. This way they could keep the feat (and have it not apply to the [B]ONE SPELL[/B] that the metamagic has caused so much abuse from) at +4 levels which is far more reasonable. Call me the nay-sayer, but even in 3.0 I thought Persistent spell was a tossup with Quicken. Sure, quicken uses more spell slots per day. But quicken doesn't suffer from dispel magic like persistent does, is more versatile, and only takes up one feat, not two. [/QUOTE]
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