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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Kurotowa" data-source="post: 7451325" data-attributes="member: 27957">It's a bit of a Catch-22, isn't it? The DM says, "Well of course you died, you foolishly rushed in to attack a monster that clearly outmatched you." The player retorts, "I don't want to metagame so I didn't memorize the Monster Manual, how was I supposed to know what its CR was?"Aligning everyone's expectations sometimes requires something that comes poorly to a lot of us: clear, open, direct conversations about how we want the game to run. Does the DM actually expect the players to be able to cite monster CR immediately and make their in-character decisions based on that? Then best to make that explicitly clear. Do the players plan to try and restrict themselves to in-character knowledge and perception? Then the DM really needs to feed them clear information about what the PCs know and perceive in a dangerous situation. It's the clashing expectations where the DM throws in deadly encounters that aren't obviously deadly until the party is engaged and the first PC is making death saves that really cause hurt feelings.</blockquote>