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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Satyrn" data-source="post: 7452670" data-attributes="member: 6801204">I think we were advising him not to hold back on a TPK if that's where the dice actually lead. I was anyway.The scenario he provided in the OP read to me to be of the sort where (by player and DM decisions, good and bad) all previous decisions have led up to the moment where the dragon's breath weapon is charged and the players are huddled together, clutching their last hp, and [MENTION=23]Ancalagon[/MENTION]'s asking "should the dragon breathe on them?""It probably should - unless it's a forgiving dragon" is what I'm saying. At this point, a TPK is a reasonable ending, and pulling the trigger is a fine choice. Indeed, not pulling it might prove quite unsatisfying for the players, especially if it comes across as the DM saving the party.</blockquote>