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<blockquote data-quote="Greenfield" data-source="post: 5928266" data-attributes="member: 6669384">The specific example in mind is a Bard casting a Fireball.The principle would be the same for any spell caster trying to cast a spell that's not on their class spell list, I would think.The question comes up because this particular magic device doesn't cast the spell, the user does.&nbsp; That is, it isn't a &quot;Spell Trigger&quot; item nor a &quot;Spell Completion&quot; item.&nbsp; Instead it grants spell knowledge to the user.At least, that's the interpretation I've seen.&nbsp; This position is undercut, however, by the fact that it only works X times a day per spell.I'd imagine that you'd need two UMD checks to pull this off, one in the morning when you attune yourself to the Runestaff (you'd need to emulate a class), and one when you actually try to use the spell.But I could be wrong, and I'm looking for well reasoned arguments on either side.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Greenfield, post: 5928266, member: 6669384"] The specific example in mind is a Bard casting a Fireball. The principle would be the same for any spell caster trying to cast a spell that's not on their class spell list, I would think. The question comes up because this particular magic device doesn't cast the spell, the user does. That is, it isn't a "Spell Trigger" item nor a "Spell Completion" item. Instead it grants spell knowledge to the user. At least, that's the interpretation I've seen. This position is undercut, however, by the fact that it only works X times a day per spell. I'd imagine that you'd need two UMD checks to pull this off, one in the morning when you attune yourself to the Runestaff (you'd need to emulate a class), and one when you actually try to use the spell. But I could be wrong, and I'm looking for well reasoned arguments on either side. [/QUOTE]

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