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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Croesus" data-source="post: 3430317" data-attributes="member: 35019">It really depends on how nit-picky you want to be.Quote from MIC (runestaves):"You can apply the effect of metamagic feats you know..."Quote from DMG (metamagic rods):"Possession of a metamagic rod does not confer the associated feat on the owner, only the ability to use the given feat a specified number of times per day."And:"A sorcerer still must take a full-round action when using a metamagic rod, just as if using a metamagic feat he possesses."Quote from PHB (metamagic feats):"But because the sorcerer or bard has not prepared the spell in a metamagic form in advance, he must apply the metamagic feat on the spot. Therefore, such a character must also take more time to cast a metamagic spell (one enhanced by a metamagic feat) than he does to cast a regular spell."Since using a metamagic rod isn't the same as "knowing" the metamagic feat, and the runestaff description specifically says "metamagic feats you know", a GM could rule that the two cannot be used together. If, OTOH, you decide to allow the two to work together, then the only wording on casting time for metamagic rods specifies sorcerers - not wizards, implying that they could use the rod without increasing casting time. Of course, such a reading means bards could use a metamagic rod without an extended casting time, which is untenable, given the wording from the PHB, which clearly implies that any spontaneous use of metamagic requires extended casting time.Personally, I probably wouldn't allow them to work together, but if I did, all casters would be treated the same - if the spell is being modified spontaneously, it has increased casting time.</blockquote>

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