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<blockquote data-quote="Thotas" data-source="post: 5738328" data-attributes="member: 18974">I pretty much agree with what you're saying, Tylermalan, except I don't interpret the phase &quot;committed the evil act unwittingly&quot; the same way you do.&nbsp; To me, in this context, that means the act that you committed was evil, but you didn't realize it was.&nbsp; The atonement is a form of education, not punishment.&nbsp;&nbsp; Killing an innocent because an illusionist convinced you they were a evil cleric in the act of casting &quot;slay living&quot; on you should bring no penalty to you at all; being a dupe makes you the murder weapon, not the murderer.&nbsp; Look at the fact that carnivorous animals that would eat a baby in a heart beat are of Neutral alignment.&nbsp; For anything with higher intelligence to take the same tack makes it evil.&nbsp; Because they have greater capacity for decision making.&nbsp; Decision making is where morality comes in, so when your ability to make decisions is impaired, whether it be innate, lack of information, misinformation, your responsibility is diminished accordingly.And no, it is not possible to do an endrun around the principle by diminishing your responsibility somehow.&nbsp; For example, &quot;But I was drunk!&quot; isn't an excuse since you got yourself drunk in the first place.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Thotas, post: 5738328, member: 18974"] I pretty much agree with what you're saying, Tylermalan, except I don't interpret the phase "committed the evil act unwittingly" the same way you do. To me, in this context, that means the act that you committed was evil, but you didn't realize it was. The atonement is a form of education, not punishment. Killing an innocent because an illusionist convinced you they were a evil cleric in the act of casting "slay living" on you should bring no penalty to you at all; being a dupe makes you the murder weapon, not the murderer. Look at the fact that carnivorous animals that would eat a baby in a heart beat are of Neutral alignment. For anything with higher intelligence to take the same tack makes it evil. Because they have greater capacity for decision making. Decision making is where morality comes in, so when your ability to make decisions is impaired, whether it be innate, lack of information, misinformation, your responsibility is diminished accordingly. And no, it is not possible to do an endrun around the principle by diminishing your responsibility somehow. For example, "But I was drunk!" isn't an excuse since you got yourself drunk in the first place. [/QUOTE]

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