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<blockquote data-quote="Celebrim" data-source="post: 5429531" data-attributes="member: 4937"><p>Sorrowdusk: I've had the whole "how do you tell if something is fantasy or science fiction" argument on before, and on EnWorld for that matter, and I don't really want to do it again. Suffice to say that I reject your formulation of what is science fiction and what is fantasy.</p><p></p><p>Star Wars is not science fiction. It is straight up fantasy. It involves an orphaned farm boy who happens to be the lost son of a mighty lord hearing about a princess in distress and then, with the help of his wizard mentor and a band of roguish outcasts he meets on the way, single handedly slays the dragon... I mean the 'death star' and saves the princess. It's not science fiction. It's fantasy with 'blasters'. It's major theme is about 'good' vs. 'evil'. It's not science fiction; it's fantasy. That's not an arbitrary classification. You can't write fantasy, put some ray guns in it, and turn it into science fiction.</p><p></p><p>Ghost Busters = fantasy. The psuedo-scientific trappings are to create reasonable suspension of disbelief when setting the fantasy in the modern era. </p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>That's less random than you think it is. The answer is, "Star Wars isn't science fiction."</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>I agree. But that wasn't my point. I was merely pointing out that vampires as alien life form, and werewolves as some sort of shapeshifting nanoconstruct, and ghosts as some sort echo from an adjacent brane that interacts with this universes gravity are all more plausible and satisfying explanations for something that doesn't exist, than 'telepathy' and 'telekinesis' as they are often presented in neo-pagan myth stories (by that I mean that they are all variations on Heracles and such) like comic books, action adventure movies, anime, etc. The presence of techno-babble doesn't turn an old fashion story about demigods fighting demigods over questions of normative ethics into a science fiction story. Granted, there are some science fiction stories that actually have telepathy or telekinesis, but when you investigate you find that its not telepathy per se, it's that they have a radio embedded in their brain or that they have some other sort of superscience enhancement.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Celebrim, post: 5429531, member: 4937"] Sorrowdusk: I've had the whole "how do you tell if something is fantasy or science fiction" argument on before, and on EnWorld for that matter, and I don't really want to do it again. Suffice to say that I reject your formulation of what is science fiction and what is fantasy. Star Wars is not science fiction. It is straight up fantasy. It involves an orphaned farm boy who happens to be the lost son of a mighty lord hearing about a princess in distress and then, with the help of his wizard mentor and a band of roguish outcasts he meets on the way, single handedly slays the dragon... I mean the 'death star' and saves the princess. It's not science fiction. It's fantasy with 'blasters'. It's major theme is about 'good' vs. 'evil'. It's not science fiction; it's fantasy. That's not an arbitrary classification. You can't write fantasy, put some ray guns in it, and turn it into science fiction. Ghost Busters = fantasy. The psuedo-scientific trappings are to create reasonable suspension of disbelief when setting the fantasy in the modern era. That's less random than you think it is. The answer is, "Star Wars isn't science fiction." I agree. But that wasn't my point. I was merely pointing out that vampires as alien life form, and werewolves as some sort of shapeshifting nanoconstruct, and ghosts as some sort echo from an adjacent brane that interacts with this universes gravity are all more plausible and satisfying explanations for something that doesn't exist, than 'telepathy' and 'telekinesis' as they are often presented in neo-pagan myth stories (by that I mean that they are all variations on Heracles and such) like comic books, action adventure movies, anime, etc. The presence of techno-babble doesn't turn an old fashion story about demigods fighting demigods over questions of normative ethics into a science fiction story. Granted, there are some science fiction stories that actually have telepathy or telekinesis, but when you investigate you find that its not telepathy per se, it's that they have a radio embedded in their brain or that they have some other sort of superscience enhancement. [/QUOTE]
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