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<blockquote data-quote="ClaytonCross" data-source="post: 7285319" data-attributes="member: 6880599"><p>Your Adult Dragon stats are very wrong:</p><p><strong>The dragon exhales fire in a 60-foot cone. Each creature in that area must make a DC 21 Dexterity saving throw, taking 63 (18d6) fire damage on a failed save, or half as much damage on a successful one. </strong>(32)</p><p></p><p>On average your warlock with +11 to hit vs an AC of 19 is going to hit 64% of the time for an average DPR of 36.4 vs The Adult dragon with default 256 HP killing the dragon on turn 8</p><p></p><p>On average The Adult dragon with +14 to hit vs Warlock with AC 18 (studded leather armor +3? Dex 16? would be really good for a warlock) and roughly 80HP</p><p> --Dragons Fire breath is a save not an attack so AC doesn't matter your not proficient in dex saves so warlock rolls D20+3 vs DC21 has a 15% chance to reduce 63 by half ...we will call it 54.55 DPR basicly warlock is at 25 hit points after round 1.</p><p> -- The Dragon makes a multi attack doing 3 attacks at +14 vs the AC18 we gave him above at an 80% chance to hit for each damage of default 15/15/19 total 49 with hit DPR 39.2 which will easily kill the Warlock with good armor.</p><p> -- If we say the Warlock had a friend then they both got the fire friend at - "54.55" too, chances are the the first 2 claw attacks killed the Warlock and his friend takes the 19 bit call it -"15.2" total of 68.75 damage to him as well... alive but likely dead next turn.</p><p></p><p>So the group of 2 has 3 rounds maybe 4 if the second is a high HP or higher armor if we double the warlocks damage for both players for 2 rounds (145.6) + solo 2 rounds with the same damage (72.6) the dragon has 36.6 hp left without using the second fire breath he has likely recharged in these 4 rounds and has TPK'd them unless the second team member has more than 147.15 hp.</p><p></p><p>That said the CR17 adult red dragon is 18,000 xp and represents a deadly challenge for no more than 2 level 17 character (8,800xp each total of 17,600) so for a larger party it should be a hard but solid win as stated in the DMG. </p><p></p><p><strong>....So eather your players are getting lucky roles, they have good gear to out way the the dragon (fire Resistance from proper planing), or the party is bigger than 2 people and you have not balanced the encounter for your group since CR is not how you lock on the monster group size its how you prevent them from one shotting your party members.</strong></p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="ClaytonCross, post: 7285319, member: 6880599"] Your Adult Dragon stats are very wrong: [B]The dragon exhales fire in a 60-foot cone. Each creature in that area must make a DC 21 Dexterity saving throw, taking 63 (18d6) fire damage on a failed save, or half as much damage on a successful one. [/B](32) On average your warlock with +11 to hit vs an AC of 19 is going to hit 64% of the time for an average DPR of 36.4 vs The Adult dragon with default 256 HP killing the dragon on turn 8 On average The Adult dragon with +14 to hit vs Warlock with AC 18 (studded leather armor +3? Dex 16? would be really good for a warlock) and roughly 80HP --Dragons Fire breath is a save not an attack so AC doesn't matter your not proficient in dex saves so warlock rolls D20+3 vs DC21 has a 15% chance to reduce 63 by half ...we will call it 54.55 DPR basicly warlock is at 25 hit points after round 1. -- The Dragon makes a multi attack doing 3 attacks at +14 vs the AC18 we gave him above at an 80% chance to hit for each damage of default 15/15/19 total 49 with hit DPR 39.2 which will easily kill the Warlock with good armor. -- If we say the Warlock had a friend then they both got the fire friend at - "54.55" too, chances are the the first 2 claw attacks killed the Warlock and his friend takes the 19 bit call it -"15.2" total of 68.75 damage to him as well... alive but likely dead next turn. So the group of 2 has 3 rounds maybe 4 if the second is a high HP or higher armor if we double the warlocks damage for both players for 2 rounds (145.6) + solo 2 rounds with the same damage (72.6) the dragon has 36.6 hp left without using the second fire breath he has likely recharged in these 4 rounds and has TPK'd them unless the second team member has more than 147.15 hp. That said the CR17 adult red dragon is 18,000 xp and represents a deadly challenge for no more than 2 level 17 character (8,800xp each total of 17,600) so for a larger party it should be a hard but solid win as stated in the DMG. [B]....So eather your players are getting lucky roles, they have good gear to out way the the dragon (fire Resistance from proper planing), or the party is bigger than 2 people and you have not balanced the encounter for your group since CR is not how you lock on the monster group size its how you prevent them from one shotting your party members.[/B] [/QUOTE]
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