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<blockquote data-quote="The Crimson Binome" data-source="post: 7285489" data-attributes="member: 6775031">The warlock in this example has fire resistance, either from race or class. That's not planning, but it is a coincidence. Even ignoring the possibility of making the save, which is an extreme assumption when it comes to PCs, you still have the dragon dealing 31 damage every third turn, for a DPR of ~10.3. Congrats, your adult red dragon will kill a warlock of equal level in sixteen rounds.Sure, let's go with that.That was my entire point, is that dragons are way scarier in melee. Trying to play hit-and-run with their breath weapon would be suicide for such a creature. You specifically said that a dragon should be played intelligently by having it fly around and use its breath weapon, which is actually one of the worst things it could possibly do. You specifically said that many DMs run their dragons foolishly, by putting them into melee combat, when going into melee is actually one of their most effective options. I mean, make no mistake about it, that dragon is probably going to lose either way because their stats are a complete joke in this edition, but a well-played dragon that breathes once and then jumps directly into melee at least has a chance of winning.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="The Crimson Binome, post: 7285489, member: 6775031"] The warlock in this example has fire resistance, either from race or class. That's not planning, but it is a coincidence. Even ignoring the possibility of making the save, which is an extreme assumption when it comes to PCs, you still have the dragon dealing 31 damage every [I]third[/I] turn, for a DPR of ~[I]10.3[/I]. Congrats, your adult red dragon will kill a warlock of equal level in [I]sixteen rounds[/I]. Sure, let's go with that. That was my entire point, is that dragons are [I]way[/I] scarier in melee. Trying to play hit-and-run with their breath weapon would be suicide for such a creature. You specifically said that a dragon should be played intelligently by having it fly around and use its breath weapon, which is actually one of the [I]worst[/I] things it could possibly do. You specifically said that many DMs run their dragons foolishly, by putting them into melee combat, when going into melee is actually one of their [I]most[/I] effective options. I mean, make no mistake about it, that dragon is probably going to lose either way because their stats are a complete joke in this edition, but a well-played dragon that breathes once and then jumps [I]directly[/I] into melee at least has a [I]chance[/I] of winning. [/QUOTE]

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