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<blockquote data-quote="Hussar" data-source="post: 7289414" data-attributes="member: 22779">The thing is, the fix is so simple that they don't need a new anything.&nbsp; You claim that your group is dealing 300 points of damage/round (60/PC).&nbsp; So, simply work backwards.&nbsp; A challenging encounter should last about 5 rounds - the baddies can deal enough damage in that time to put PC's in a hurt locker.&nbsp; So, your challenging encounter needs 12-1500 hp.&nbsp; You can achieve this any number of ways, but, that's what it comes down to.So, an Adult White Dragon (CR 13) should be a stiff encounter for a standard 10th level party.&nbsp; 16d12+96 HP (baselines to 200) maxes out at 288.&nbsp; Now, my party would have a problem with that - that's about 3 rounds to drop that creature, so, yeah, it's going to put on the hurt on my guys.&nbsp; On your party, it's a speed bump - so, we jack up the HP&nbsp; to 1300.&nbsp; End of problem.&nbsp; It goes down in about 4 rounds, which gives it lots of actions.I'm frankly rather baffled why this is even an issue.&nbsp; If you have a group that is so focused on DPS, and you insist on standing toe to toe with that party and fighting them based on their strongest abilities, of course they are going to munch encounters.&nbsp; So, get out your Mark 1 Pencil, and add a 1 to the beginning of every HP line.Problem solved.Well, it depends on the group.&nbsp; My group?&nbsp; No problems.&nbsp; Lots of monsters fit the bill because we're not interested in creating characters for the sole purpose of dealing DPS.&nbsp; But, if your group is focusing on dealing damage to the exclusion of pretty much everything else, then, well, no, nothing the MM will really work by itself.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Hussar, post: 7289414, member: 22779"] The thing is, the fix is so simple that they don't need a new anything. You claim that your group is dealing 300 points of damage/round (60/PC). So, simply work backwards. A challenging encounter should last about 5 rounds - the baddies can deal enough damage in that time to put PC's in a hurt locker. So, your challenging encounter needs 12-1500 hp. You can achieve this any number of ways, but, that's what it comes down to. So, an Adult White Dragon (CR 13) should be a stiff encounter for a standard 10th level party. 16d12+96 HP (baselines to 200) maxes out at 288. Now, my party would have a problem with that - that's about 3 rounds to drop that creature, so, yeah, it's going to put on the hurt on my guys. On your party, it's a speed bump - so, we jack up the HP to 1300. End of problem. It goes down in about 4 rounds, which gives it lots of actions. I'm frankly rather baffled why this is even an issue. If you have a group that is so focused on DPS, and you insist on standing toe to toe with that party and fighting them based on their strongest abilities, of course they are going to munch encounters. So, get out your Mark 1 Pencil, and add a 1 to the beginning of every HP line. Problem solved. Well, it depends on the group. My group? No problems. Lots of monsters fit the bill because we're not interested in creating characters for the sole purpose of dealing DPS. But, if your group is focusing on dealing damage to the exclusion of pretty much everything else, then, well, no, nothing the MM will really work by itself. [/QUOTE]

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