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<blockquote data-quote="I'm A Banana" data-source="post: 6458416" data-attributes="member: 2067">This is an immensely great breakdown. The prestige classes really appeal to me as sources of in-fiction distinctions between artificers that don't seem crazy arbitrary. I can see how a person who makes themselves into a construct and a person who makes magical vehicles and a person who is tied to a specific dragonmarked house of one sort or another would be distinct character types in the world, and not just &quot;I get +1 to wands, that guy gets +1 to scrolls, that other guy gets +1 to potions.&quot;The only thing then missing is a strong central mechanic to provide a unique basis for that flavor that doesn't dip deeply into other classes. I don't think this is impossible, but it would be novel to 5e if they did it this way, since the 3e artificer wasn't very mechanically distinct (it basically used spell slots), and neither wasy the 4e artificer (it was one variation on The 4e Monoclass) -- all of their abilities are &quot;small&quot; enough to fit in subclasses and don't need a whole new structure to facilitate. A new structure could be invented....but what might that look like?Bring back item slots a la 3e and have them fill it with perma-buffs (reminds me a bit of Incarnum)? Or develop an independent item invention system that artificers can use? I dunno. There's room to innovate there.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="I'm A Banana, post: 6458416, member: 2067"] This is an immensely great breakdown. The prestige classes really appeal to me as sources of in-fiction distinctions between artificers that don't seem [I]crazy[/I] arbitrary. I can see how a person who makes themselves into a construct and a person who makes magical vehicles and a person who is tied to a specific dragonmarked house of one sort or another would be distinct character types in the world, and not just "I get +1 to wands, that guy gets +1 to scrolls, that other guy gets +1 to potions." The only thing then missing is a strong central mechanic to provide a unique basis for that flavor that doesn't dip deeply into other classes. I don't think this is impossible, but it would be novel to 5e if they did it this way, since the 3e artificer wasn't very mechanically distinct (it basically used spell slots), and neither wasy the 4e artificer (it was one variation on The 4e Monoclass) -- all of their abilities are "small" enough to fit in subclasses and don't need a whole new structure to facilitate. A new structure could be invented....but what might that look like? Bring back item slots a la 3e and have them fill it with perma-buffs (reminds me a bit of Incarnum)? Or develop an independent item invention system that artificers can use? I dunno. There's room to innovate there. [/QUOTE]

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