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<blockquote data-quote="Rystil Arden" data-source="post: 2129468" data-attributes="member: 29014">I'll second Xath's observations with one from the campaign I DM, which is currently at level 18-20 (3 PCs + cohorts and allies, etc).&nbsp; They have a Elven FB 19, Azer Cleric ECL 18, Nymph Archmage ECL 20, Pixie Ninja Cohort, Juvenile Silver Dragon Cohort, and a Mystic Theurge and Psion (both level 20, but not maximised for battle, particularly the Psion) who are party allies that they generally bring to battle, among others.&nbsp; They've taken out CR 27 challenges and barely blinked, but there was one CR 13 NPC whom they faced with the above characters minus the Nymph Archmage but managed to convince a Human Archmage/Shadow Adept 24, Human Archmage/Loremaster 21, Elf Archmage/Incantrix 27, and Elf Cleric 25 to help them.&nbsp; Every single character died (well, the powerful NPCs had only sent projected images and such, so they didn't technically die) except the Azer who ran away, although the FB managed to still kill the one CR 13 enemy due to Deathless Frenzy, barely.Fortunately, playing with these guys all the way from level 1 to 20 has allowed me to balance encounters appropriately (I knew the CR 13 encounter would be damn hard, and they had plenty of opportunity to elicit powerful allies and plan a strategy, and I knew that the CR 27 encounters would be easy).&nbsp; You just need to get a feel for your group.&nbsp; My gut reaction would be that 7 PCs will trounce that opposition you set up, but it really comes down to the group.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Rystil Arden, post: 2129468, member: 29014"] I'll second Xath's observations with one from the campaign I DM, which is currently at level 18-20 (3 PCs + cohorts and allies, etc). They have a Elven FB 19, Azer Cleric ECL 18, Nymph Archmage ECL 20, Pixie Ninja Cohort, Juvenile Silver Dragon Cohort, and a Mystic Theurge and Psion (both level 20, but not maximised for battle, particularly the Psion) who are party allies that they generally bring to battle, among others. They've taken out CR 27 challenges and barely blinked, but there was one CR 13 NPC whom they faced with the above characters minus the Nymph Archmage but managed to convince a Human Archmage/Shadow Adept 24, Human Archmage/Loremaster 21, Elf Archmage/Incantrix 27, and Elf Cleric 25 to help them. Every single character died (well, the powerful NPCs had only sent projected images and such, so they didn't technically die) except the Azer who ran away, although the FB managed to still kill the one CR 13 enemy due to Deathless Frenzy, barely. Fortunately, playing with these guys all the way from level 1 to 20 has allowed me to balance encounters appropriately (I knew the CR 13 encounter would be damn hard, and they had plenty of opportunity to elicit powerful allies and plan a strategy, and I knew that the CR 27 encounters would be easy). You just need to get a feel for your group. My gut reaction would be that 7 PCs will trounce that opposition you set up, but it really comes down to the group. [/QUOTE]

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