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<blockquote data-quote="S'mon" data-source="post: 2242658" data-attributes="member: 463">Like I said, with War Machine the GM needs to set the Basic Force Ratings &amp; Battle Ratings with common sense &amp; judgement.&nbsp; Then the actual combat resolution is a doddle.&nbsp; Here's my detailed War Machine Basic Force Rating system for 3e - I took the best bits from the OD&amp;D Rule's Quick Force Rating system as well as the detailed system:War Machine 3eDetailed System:Basic Force RatingForce Leader's Leadership score (Level+CHA) +&nbsp; Average Officer Level (1 Officer/40 troops)+&nbsp; (Average Troop Level) x10+1/Victory in past 10 years-1/Rout in past 10 years+ Training Factor: Green - 10 Trained - 15 Regular - 20 Veteran - 25 Elite - 30(eg Commoners are probably Green, Experts probably Trained, while Warriors are Regular or Veteran, &amp; PC-Class troops are usually Elite)Weapon:+ the maximum damage of the most common weapon+5 if weapon is masterwork+5 if second weapon of equal qualityArmour: + (AC-10) for most common armour= Basic Force RatingThen add factors as normal to get Battle Rating.Quick Battle Rating - especially for monstrous forces.Average Troop CR - for most armies this will be 1 or 2 ranks (+15 or +30) higher than the CR of the weakest or most common troops, eg if the typical troops are CR 1/2 (eg orcs) the average army CR for an orc army will usually be 2/3 or 1.&nbsp; The table is based around the &quot;average force&quot; - eg human regulars - being BR 100.&nbsp; Taking the CR of the weakest troops and adding on the leader's Leadership and the average Officer level also gives reasonable results - eg Orcs CR 1/2 with 5th level officers and a leader with Leadership 10 would have BR 85, TC Fair.Average CR&nbsp;&nbsp; Battle Rating&nbsp;&nbsp; Troop Class1/8&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; 10&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; Untrained1/6&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; 25&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; Untrained1/4&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; 40&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; Poor1/3&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; 55&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; Below Average1/2&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; 70&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; Below Average2/3&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; 85&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; Fair1&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; 100&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; Average1.5&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; 115&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; Average2&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; 130&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; Good3&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; 145&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; Good4&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; 160&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; Excellent5&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; 175&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; Excellent6&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; 190&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; Elite+1&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; +15&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; Elite</blockquote>

[QUOTE="S'mon, post: 2242658, member: 463"] Like I said, with War Machine the GM needs to set the Basic Force Ratings & Battle Ratings with common sense & judgement. Then the actual combat resolution is a doddle. Here's my detailed War Machine Basic Force Rating system for 3e - I took the best bits from the OD&D Rule's Quick Force Rating system as well as the detailed system: War Machine 3e Detailed System: Basic Force Rating Force Leader's Leadership score (Level+CHA) + Average Officer Level (1 Officer/40 troops) + (Average Troop Level) x10 +1/Victory in past 10 years -1/Rout in past 10 years + Training Factor: Green - 10 Trained - 15 Regular - 20 Veteran - 25 Elite - 30 (eg Commoners are probably Green, Experts probably Trained, while Warriors are Regular or Veteran, & PC-Class troops are usually Elite) Weapon: + the maximum damage of the most common weapon +5 if weapon is masterwork +5 if second weapon of equal quality Armour: + (AC-10) for most common armour = Basic Force Rating Then add factors as normal to get Battle Rating. Quick Battle Rating - especially for monstrous forces. Average Troop CR - for most armies this will be 1 or 2 ranks (+15 or +30) higher than the CR of the weakest or most common troops, eg if the typical troops are CR 1/2 (eg orcs) the average army CR for an orc army will usually be 2/3 or 1. The table is based around the "average force" - eg human regulars - being BR 100. Taking the CR of the weakest troops and adding on the leader's Leadership and the average Officer level also gives reasonable results - eg Orcs CR 1/2 with 5th level officers and a leader with Leadership 10 would have BR 85, TC Fair. Average CR Battle Rating Troop Class 1/8 10 Untrained 1/6 25 Untrained 1/4 40 Poor 1/3 55 Below Average 1/2 70 Below Average 2/3 85 Fair 1 100 Average 1.5 115 Average 2 130 Good 3 145 Good 4 160 Excellent 5 175 Excellent 6 190 Elite +1 +15 Elite [/QUOTE]

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