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<blockquote data-quote="Sagiro" data-source="post: 4922072" data-attributes="member: 726"><p>On reflection, I think it <em>has</em> to be legal to delay past an effect that ends on an <em>enemy's</em> turn. </p><p></p><p>The Delay rule in the PH is there to (rightfully) prevent:</p><p>1. Postpone negative effects that will happen to you on your turn, and</p><p>2. Prolonging negative effects on your enemies, that will end on your turn.</p><p></p><p>But in the case of a negative effect on YOU, but that ends on an ENEMY'S turn, those don't apply. Worse, disallowing Delays results in some nonsensical results. Let's take the example that occurred last night: a PC is blinded until the end of the enemy attacker's next turn. Imagine also that the PC wants to delay his next turn for some reason other than the Blindness. Finally, let's say we're ruling that you can't "avoid" the effect of the blindness by Delaying.</p><p></p><p>1. Bad guy goes, causes PC blindness until end of bad guy's next turn</p><p>2. PC's turn... he Delays until the after the bad guy goes again. He's still blind.</p><p>3. Bad guy goes. PC is still blind on bad guy's turn, naturally. Ordinarily the blindness would be over at the end of the turn, but we've ruled that it's not.</p><p>4. Now PC goes. Is he still blind? But if so, when does the state now end? Is he blind for a whole additional turn, until the bad guy goes a second time? Or does the state end at the end of the PC's delayed turn, despite the fact that the original duration had <em>nothing to do</em> with the PC's original turn order?</p><p></p><p>Note: edited to add, I've posted this question on the rules forums <a href="http://www.enworld.org/forum/d-d-4th-edition-rules/264691-delaying-effects-end-your-enemys-turn.html#post4922108" target="_blank">here</a></p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Sagiro, post: 4922072, member: 726"] On reflection, I think it [I]has[/I] to be legal to delay past an effect that ends on an [i]enemy's[/i] turn. The Delay rule in the PH is there to (rightfully) prevent: 1. Postpone negative effects that will happen to you on your turn, and 2. Prolonging negative effects on your enemies, that will end on your turn. But in the case of a negative effect on YOU, but that ends on an ENEMY'S turn, those don't apply. Worse, disallowing Delays results in some nonsensical results. Let's take the example that occurred last night: a PC is blinded until the end of the enemy attacker's next turn. Imagine also that the PC wants to delay his next turn for some reason other than the Blindness. Finally, let's say we're ruling that you can't "avoid" the effect of the blindness by Delaying. 1. Bad guy goes, causes PC blindness until end of bad guy's next turn 2. PC's turn... he Delays until the after the bad guy goes again. He's still blind. 3. Bad guy goes. PC is still blind on bad guy's turn, naturally. Ordinarily the blindness would be over at the end of the turn, but we've ruled that it's not. 4. Now PC goes. Is he still blind? But if so, when does the state now end? Is he blind for a whole additional turn, until the bad guy goes a second time? Or does the state end at the end of the PC's delayed turn, despite the fact that the original duration had [i]nothing to do[/i] with the PC's original turn order? Note: edited to add, I've posted this question on the rules forums [url=http://www.enworld.org/forum/d-d-4th-edition-rules/264691-delaying-effects-end-your-enemys-turn.html#post4922108]here[/url] [/QUOTE]
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