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<blockquote data-quote="Iceman" data-source="post: 5169168" data-attributes="member: 6678">Sounds like a great tactical encounter.&nbsp; <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f642.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":)" title="Smile&nbsp; &nbsp; :)"&nbsp; data-smilie="1"data-shortname=":)" />As I understand 4E, you cannot.&nbsp; You can only forced-movement someone into a square that they could move to on their own, which is why you can slide, pull or push enemies through other enemies.&nbsp; But since they cannot move diagonally around that 'hard corner' in 1 square of movement normally, they cannot be forced to do so by a slide.(( It's one of the reasons I've been told you cannot pull or push someone vertically in order to do falling damage - aside from sheer cheesiness. ))Yes.&nbsp; Dazed does not prevent free actions, of which an AP is one.It's also something you can do after a charge, for what it's worth.DM's call, to a certain extent, about whether the slits have any special restrictions (no more than 5 squares away, for instance).But as a generic 'murder hole' position, sure, fire away against, yes, their superior cover.&nbsp; And possible concealment too.I would rule that you could use it for positioning prior to combat, no problem.&nbsp; 'Travel' is a bit ambiguous but some feats, like Light Step, do specify overland travel vs tactical movement.&nbsp; If you can take that as a precedent to apply to this case.&nbsp; <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f609.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=";)" title="Wink&nbsp; &nbsp; ;)"&nbsp; data-smilie="2"data-shortname=";)" />But, as it says, you lose the bonus the moment you roll Init.&nbsp; So you're first attack might not have CA (barring cool rogue abilities) since they likely see you as the ritual fades.&nbsp; Heck, one could argue you lose your surprise round because they see you the moment you try to attack.&nbsp; But that's a harder case to adjudicate from here. <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f642.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":)" title="Smile&nbsp; &nbsp; :)"&nbsp; data-smilie="1"data-shortname=":)" />Cheers.-VIC</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Iceman, post: 5169168, member: 6678"] Sounds like a great tactical encounter. :) As I understand 4E, you cannot. You can only forced-movement someone into a square that they could move to on their own, which is why you can slide, pull or push enemies through other enemies. But since they cannot move diagonally around that 'hard corner' in 1 square of movement normally, they cannot be forced to do so by a slide. (( It's one of the reasons I've been told you cannot pull or push someone vertically in order to do falling damage - aside from sheer cheesiness. )) Yes. Dazed does not prevent free actions, of which an AP is one. It's also something you can do after a charge, for what it's worth. DM's call, to a certain extent, about whether the slits have any special restrictions (no more than 5 squares away, for instance). But as a generic 'murder hole' position, sure, fire away against, yes, their superior cover. And possible concealment too. I would rule that you could use it for positioning prior to combat, no problem. 'Travel' is a bit ambiguous but some feats, like Light Step, do specify overland travel vs tactical movement. If you can take that as a precedent to apply to this case. ;) But, as it says, you lose the bonus the moment you roll Init. So you're first attack might not have CA (barring cool rogue abilities) since they likely see you as the ritual fades. Heck, one could argue you lose your surprise round because they see you the moment you try to attack. But that's a harder case to adjudicate from here. :) Cheers. -VIC [/QUOTE]

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