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<blockquote data-quote="coyote6" data-source="post: 5169208" data-attributes="member: 1225">The RAW is as soon as you attack or roll initiative, so you should probably be fine -- but does 4e specify when you roll initiative? I.e., does it say, &quot;when one or both sides see the other&quot; or anything like that?I think there have been a few threads on &quot;when do you roll initiative&quot; and some people might say that if you're maneuvering tactically (to sneak into position to attack from), you should be rolling initiative. And then the ritual wouldn't help. I can sort of see that argument, especially given how cheap and easy the ritual is -- but I'm not sure.If it is usable to sneak up on someone before attacking, the ritual was clearly named by a marketing department worried about combat-ritual regulations -- it should be called &quot;Ambusher's Camouflage&quot;. <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f642.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":)" title="Smile&nbsp; &nbsp; :)"&nbsp; data-smilie="1"data-shortname=":)" /></blockquote>

[QUOTE="coyote6, post: 5169208, member: 1225"] The RAW is as soon as you attack or roll initiative, so you should probably be fine -- but does 4e specify when you roll initiative? I.e., does it say, "when one or both sides see the other" or anything like that? I think there have been a few threads on "when do you roll initiative" and some people might say that if you're maneuvering tactically (to sneak into position to attack from), you should be rolling initiative. And then the ritual wouldn't help. I can sort of see that argument, especially given how cheap and easy the ritual is -- but I'm not sure. If it is usable to sneak up on someone before attacking, the ritual was clearly named by a marketing department worried about combat-ritual regulations -- it should be called "Ambusher's Camouflage". :) [/QUOTE]

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