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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Siuis" data-source="post: 5437898" data-attributes="member: 51622">bah! Messed up on the XP screen; finger slip, comment forever ruined. Ah, well.You could run it as a reverse-skill challenge. By using the PCs skills to throw up roadblocks (infiltrate sanctum, bribe guards, ruin breakfast to throw off his focus) countered by the NPC's own skill training, they could "drain him of surges". Functionally, the PCs set the DC for the challenge, and force the big bad through it. After a week of subtle sabotage and gas-lighting, he should be ripe for the picking-- or as hoppin mad as a froghemoth, If there weren't enough success on the PCs part!---PC, both you and Sagiro are an inspiration. I picked up 4e two weeks ago because what I know of the system lends it to "hey, let's strt a D&D game RIGHT NOW!" and then skips the 6 hour character creation splat-book combing- but I thought the cost was depth. I'm seeing more and more that depth is what the rules don't cover. Rather than stopping when there's no more print on the page, though, one must begin to shine via their own merit. And stea- er, borrow from yo- um, other DMs <img src="http://www.enworld.org/forum/images/smilies/angel.png"  class="smilie" loading="lazy" alt=":angel:" title="Angel    :angel:" data-shortname=":angel:" /></blockquote>