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<blockquote data-quote="+5 Keyboard!" data-source="post: 3882059" data-attributes="member: 48586">And thus the debate begins.So, what you're saying is that if the rogue searches a 5-ft. square in front of him, taking 20, fails to find the trap, he isn't going to &quot;find&quot; the trap by other means (assuming taking 20 wasn't good enough to find the trap - high DC), ya know, like stepping into that square and springing something nasty?Anyway, all opinion aside, if you play by the rules, here's what you need to know about taking 20:Taking 20 to Search a room for a secret door or a hidden compartment or something else not readily apparent, is a perfectly viable as a use of taking 20. However, like it says above, if there's a penalty for failure such as accidentally setting off a trap, taking 20 is just a good way to set traps off and get your character killed.Thus, I say &quot;Bring on the next rogue! This one's dead!&quot;I hope this addresses your concern. The Tomb of Horrors Revised should be plenty challenging to your player if you use the take 20 rules correctly.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="+5 Keyboard!, post: 3882059, member: 48586"] And thus the debate begins. So, what you're saying is that if the rogue searches a 5-ft. square in front of him, taking 20, fails to find the trap, he isn't going to "find" the trap by other means (assuming taking 20 wasn't good enough to find the trap - high DC), ya know, like stepping into that square and springing something nasty? Anyway, all opinion aside, if you play by the rules, here's what you need to know about taking 20: Taking 20 to Search a room for a secret door or a hidden compartment or something else not readily apparent, is a perfectly viable as a use of taking 20. However, like it says above, if there's a penalty for failure such as accidentally setting off a trap, taking 20 is just a good way to set traps off and get your character killed. Thus, I say "Bring on the next rogue! This one's dead!" I hope this addresses your concern. The Tomb of Horrors Revised should be plenty challenging to your player if you use the take 20 rules correctly. [/QUOTE]

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