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<blockquote data-quote="Bungus" data-source="post: 4670101" data-attributes="member: 82452"><p><span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman'"><span style="font-size: 12px">The players are going up against an evil mage that has projected his image onto the edge of the battlefield (session ending cliffhanger after they just defeated the mage’s minions). </span></span></p><p> </p><p><span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman'"><span style="font-size: 12px">The real mage is nearby (about 60 feet away) and hidden via Greater Invisibility. This is a 3.5E game and the PCs are in the level 11/12 range.</span></span></p><p> </p><p><span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman'"><span style="font-size: 12px">My guess as to how it plays out – an exchange of witty banter, followed by the evil mage casting Cone of Cold or Finger of Death, while the PC warriors charge the evil mage. The evil mage is going to have the spell appear to have been cast from the projected image.</span></span></p><p> </p><p><span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman'"><span style="font-size: 12px">Do all the PCs then get saves against the illusion of the image, or do they need to request that they attempt to disbelieve? If it casts Finger of Death vs. one PC, does only that one PC get a save to disbelieve because they interacted with the image?</span></span></p><p> </p><p><span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman'"><span style="font-size: 12px">Next round, rogue, paladin or fighter reaches the image and strikes. If it is the fighter, an average roll of 10 for him will hit an AC in the low 30s or maybe even a bit better. So, normally enough to hit AC: evil mage.</span></span></p><p> </p><p><span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman'"><span style="font-size: 12px">How can the image react, as it is not really hitting the mage? Does the image act as if it took damage? Or, can the image pretend to dodge out of the way, while I come back with, “Ha ha, you will have to do better than that!” I know the fighter will then get a Will save but, how can the image react?</span></span></p><p> </p><p><span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman'"><span style="font-size: 12px">This is a bit from the SRD on Project Image:</span></span></p><p></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman'"><span style="font-size: 12px"><em>You tap energy from the Plane of Shadow to create a quasi-real, illusory version of yourself. The projected image looks, sounds, and smells like you but is intangible. The projected image mimics your actions (including speech) unless you direct it to act differently (which is a move action). </em></span></span></p><p></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman'"><span style="font-size: 12px">The reason I ask is that the players have not run up against much in the way of illusions.</span></span></p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Bungus, post: 4670101, member: 82452"] [FONT=Times New Roman][SIZE=3]The players are going up against an evil mage that has projected his image onto the edge of the battlefield (session ending cliffhanger after they just defeated the mage’s minions). [/SIZE][/FONT] [FONT=Times New Roman][SIZE=3]The real mage is nearby (about 60 feet away) and hidden via Greater Invisibility. This is a 3.5E game and the PCs are in the level 11/12 range.[/SIZE][/FONT] [FONT=Times New Roman][SIZE=3]My guess as to how it plays out – an exchange of witty banter, followed by the evil mage casting Cone of Cold or Finger of Death, while the PC warriors charge the evil mage. The evil mage is going to have the spell appear to have been cast from the projected image.[/SIZE][/FONT] [FONT=Times New Roman][SIZE=3]Do all the PCs then get saves against the illusion of the image, or do they need to request that they attempt to disbelieve? If it casts Finger of Death vs. one PC, does only that one PC get a save to disbelieve because they interacted with the image?[/SIZE][/FONT] [FONT=Times New Roman][SIZE=3]Next round, rogue, paladin or fighter reaches the image and strikes. If it is the fighter, an average roll of 10 for him will hit an AC in the low 30s or maybe even a bit better. So, normally enough to hit AC: evil mage.[/SIZE][/FONT] [FONT=Times New Roman][SIZE=3]How can the image react, as it is not really hitting the mage? Does the image act as if it took damage? Or, can the image pretend to dodge out of the way, while I come back with, “Ha ha, you will have to do better than that!” I know the fighter will then get a Will save but, how can the image react?[/SIZE][/FONT] [FONT=Times New Roman][SIZE=3]This is a bit from the SRD on Project Image:[/SIZE][/FONT] [FONT=Times New Roman][SIZE=3][I]You tap energy from the Plane of Shadow to create a quasi-real, illusory version of yourself. The projected image looks, sounds, and smells like you but is intangible. The projected image mimics your actions (including speech) unless you direct it to act differently (which is a move action). [/I][/SIZE][/FONT] [FONT=Times New Roman][SIZE=3]The reason I ask is that the players have not run up against much in the way of illusions.[/SIZE][/FONT] [/QUOTE]
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