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<blockquote data-quote="GMforPowergamers" data-source="post: 8889767" data-attributes="member: 67338">this is my only issue with the OGL and I find it funny. Coming out in 2000 when there were so many changes from 2e. Today (and 2008) when you try to make such stark changes you end up with not just &quot;Well I will just stay with the last edition and never get new content&quot; but &quot;Well I can stay with a retroclone and people still supporting it like it's the current edition&quot; and I have to wonder if there was a 'pathfinder' of 2001 if 3e would have caught on at all.I played 2e, I loved it, but my biggest issue trying to go back would be Thac0 and saves... but I still have a player and hear people on here and elsewhere talk like those two things were amazing. 4e COULD have done better if marketing hadn't been as bad and if the OGL had not been abandoned... but people from PF say they were not going to support it anyway... leading to that split being almost a forgone conculsion. If there were no 3rd parties I wonder how many people that didn't try 4e would have after a year or so said &quot;Well I guess I could try it&quot; the way I saw people slowly come in from 2e (and even my group only slowly came into 5e)now llooking at the changes for 1D&amp;D I can see somethings I like and some I don't (and lets be honest there are some people that hate most of the changes even here on this board), so I wonder if WotC is doing this now to be like &quot;If you want to stay behind you get left behind&quot;</blockquote>

[QUOTE="GMforPowergamers, post: 8889767, member: 67338"] this is my only issue with the OGL and I find it funny. Coming out in 2000 when there were so many changes from 2e. Today (and 2008) when you try to make such stark changes you end up with not just "Well I will just stay with the last edition and never get new content" but "Well I can stay with a retroclone and people still supporting it like it's the current edition" and I have to wonder if there was a 'pathfinder' of 2001 if 3e would have caught on at all. I played 2e, I loved it, but my biggest issue trying to go back would be Thac0 and saves... but I still have a player and hear people on here and elsewhere talk like those two things were amazing. 4e COULD have done better if marketing hadn't been as bad and if the OGL had not been abandoned... but people from PF say they were not going to support it anyway... leading to that split being almost a forgone conculsion. If there were no 3rd parties I wonder how many people that didn't try 4e would have after a year or so said "Well I guess I could try it" the way I saw people slowly come in from 2e (and even my group only slowly came into 5e) now llooking at the changes for 1D&D I can see somethings I like and some I don't (and lets be honest there are some people that hate most of the changes even here on this board), so I wonder if WotC is doing this now to be like "If you want to stay behind you get left behind" [/QUOTE]

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