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Message: <blockquote data-quote="sullivan" data-source="post: 3000521" data-attributes="member: 28152">I'm just in the middle of one of my groups sorting out the fallout of that approach. They are a bunch of friends, although none were friends before first playing with them. We never really got to that point till a few months back when the accumulated backlog of just waiting for the next campaign to get it done right caught up.  One person person had lost so much interest, and had for so long, that he did the equivalent. He just wandered off and talked to my wife for most of the evening.  Well I was to that point too, but since it was my house I thought I should hang around a bit....to make sure they didn't steal out of the liquor cabinet. <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f609.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=";)" title="Wink    ;)"  data-smilie="2"data-shortname=";)" />Of course we'll get it sorted out. The first step is already done. Getting the one fellow who was currently GMing to stop quoting from page 6 of the DMG. <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f642.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":)" title="Smile    :)"  data-smilie="1"data-shortname=":)" />I've seen it before too. Not as a blow up, but as a blow off.  Lost interest because of exclusion and drifted away. I only know why because I asked them about it later.  Basically using the D&D guidelines, nearly verbatum from the DMG, lead to just not getting stuff sorted out that needed getting sorted out.  Nice people, differing tastes, poor plan, terrible direction.The other longterm group doesn't take that approach at all. The result is much, much different.  Of course they have no interest in playing D&D, but I'm not sure about the correlation there. <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f609.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=";)" title="Wink    ;)"  data-smilie="2"data-shortname=";)" /> P.S. I just talked to the DMG quoter on the phone earlier today. He's a D&D-AD&D-D&D player from way back. But to resolve the issues and find common ground he's not only willing, but actually brought up himself that we will likely have to move on from D&D to do it.</blockquote>

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