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<blockquote data-quote="Azure Trance" data-source="post: 685862" data-attributes="member: 372"><p>So, I'm curious. If subabilities from 2nd Ed Skills & Powers were allowed, would it for the most part reduce the game to a min/max hell? For those who don't know, subabilties split the attributes into two fields. IE (I'm converting these to 3rd Ed on the fly so correct me if I got anything wrong here):</p><p></p><p>STR = Stamina (Weight Allowance) / Muscle (Att, Dmg, etc)</p><p>DEX = Aim (Att) / Balance (AC bonus and Ref saves)</p><p>CON = Health (Fort Save) / Fitness (HP)</p><p>INT = Reason (Bonus Spell Levels) / Knowledge (Bonus Languages)</p><p>WIS = Intuition (Bonus Spell Levels) / Willpower (WILL Save)</p><p>CHA = Leadership (Uh ... not sure ... in 2nd Ed it was Loyalty Base for Henchmen and # of Henchmen) / Appearance (Reaction Adjustment)</p><p></p><p>Rules: Subabilities can't be more then 4 points away from each pther, amd must be done in 2 point increments.</p><p></p><p>EXAMPLE CHARACTER:</p><p></p><p>Leon</p><p>STR 16</p><p>DEX 14</p><p>CON 12</p><p>INT 12</p><p>WIS 8</p><p>CHA 11</p><p></p><p>Leon, with subabilties</p><p>Str 16 (Stamina 14, Muscle 18)</p><p>DEX 14 (Aim 12, Balance 16)</p><p>CON 12 (Health 10, Fitness 14)</p><p>INT 12 (Reason 10, Knowledge 14)</p><p>WIS 8 (Intuition 8, Willpower 8)</p><p>CHA 11 (Leadership 9, Appearance 13)</p><p></p><p>Assume that, if possible, the subabilties were more 'evened out' in terms of pros (adding to it) and cons (subtracting from it), like fixing the Spell Bonus Subabilities for INT and WIS [as i said, converting straight from book so might be better way to handle it). Would this force the game into a powergamers dream?</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Azure Trance, post: 685862, member: 372"] So, I'm curious. If subabilities from 2nd Ed Skills & Powers were allowed, would it for the most part reduce the game to a min/max hell? For those who don't know, subabilties split the attributes into two fields. IE (I'm converting these to 3rd Ed on the fly so correct me if I got anything wrong here): STR = Stamina (Weight Allowance) / Muscle (Att, Dmg, etc) DEX = Aim (Att) / Balance (AC bonus and Ref saves) CON = Health (Fort Save) / Fitness (HP) INT = Reason (Bonus Spell Levels) / Knowledge (Bonus Languages) WIS = Intuition (Bonus Spell Levels) / Willpower (WILL Save) CHA = Leadership (Uh ... not sure ... in 2nd Ed it was Loyalty Base for Henchmen and # of Henchmen) / Appearance (Reaction Adjustment) Rules: Subabilities can't be more then 4 points away from each pther, amd must be done in 2 point increments. EXAMPLE CHARACTER: Leon STR 16 DEX 14 CON 12 INT 12 WIS 8 CHA 11 Leon, with subabilties Str 16 (Stamina 14, Muscle 18) DEX 14 (Aim 12, Balance 16) CON 12 (Health 10, Fitness 14) INT 12 (Reason 10, Knowledge 14) WIS 8 (Intuition 8, Willpower 8) CHA 11 (Leadership 9, Appearance 13) Assume that, if possible, the subabilties were more 'evened out' in terms of pros (adding to it) and cons (subtracting from it), like fixing the Spell Bonus Subabilities for INT and WIS [as i said, converting straight from book so might be better way to handle it). Would this force the game into a powergamers dream? [/QUOTE]
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