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<blockquote data-quote="Maxperson" data-source="post: 7931786" data-attributes="member: 23751"><p>That's false. It doesn't impact the rules, but it does impact the game itself.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>True.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>False. It does change the outcome. Picking the correct offenses and defenses drastically alters the outcome. Instead of losing(outcome), you win(changed outcome).</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>The rules do not pick which team will win.</p><p></p><p></p><p>That's false. Football rules do not tell you when an End Around will happen, or when a team will rush instead of pass, or when a team will go for it on 4th. So no, they do not tell you what is going to happen at every point in the game.</p><p></p><p>Which brings you to this..... You're missing OUR point. <img src="data:image/gif;base64,R0lGODlhAQABAIAAAAAAAP///yH5BAEAAAAALAAAAAABAAEAAAIBRAA7" class="smilie smilie--sprite smilie--sprite1" alt=":)" title="Smile :)" loading="lazy" data-shortname=":)" /></p><p></p><p>The only difference between an RPG and Football is that the rules of Football limit the length of the game. That's it. You can still do things not prescribed by the rules in both games, as I have shown. In fact, in both games doing things outside of the rules that is unbalanced will result in rules changes. In Football the owners get together and vote on a fix. In D&D the game designers decide on a fix and put out errata. </p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>This is the only real difference other than type of game.</p><p></p><p></p><p>It doesn't matter. Not having a win condition doesn't mean that during a football game, things outside the rules that affect the outcome aren't happening. They are. I've proven that.</p><p></p><p>But, since you asked...</p><p></p><p>Page 5 of the PHB:</p><p></p><p>"The group might fail to complete an adventure successfully, but if everyone had a good time and created a memorable story, <strong>they all win</strong>."</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Maxperson, post: 7931786, member: 23751"] That's false. It doesn't impact the rules, but it does impact the game itself. True. False. It does change the outcome. Picking the correct offenses and defenses drastically alters the outcome. Instead of losing(outcome), you win(changed outcome). The rules do not pick which team will win. That's false. Football rules do not tell you when an End Around will happen, or when a team will rush instead of pass, or when a team will go for it on 4th. So no, they do not tell you what is going to happen at every point in the game. Which brings you to this..... You're missing OUR point. :) The only difference between an RPG and Football is that the rules of Football limit the length of the game. That's it. You can still do things not prescribed by the rules in both games, as I have shown. In fact, in both games doing things outside of the rules that is unbalanced will result in rules changes. In Football the owners get together and vote on a fix. In D&D the game designers decide on a fix and put out errata. This is the only real difference other than type of game. It doesn't matter. Not having a win condition doesn't mean that during a football game, things outside the rules that affect the outcome aren't happening. They are. I've proven that. But, since you asked... Page 5 of the PHB: "The group might fail to complete an adventure successfully, but if everyone had a good time and created a memorable story, [B]they all win[/B]." [/QUOTE]
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