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<blockquote data-quote="Quickleaf" data-source="post: 5438068" data-attributes="member: 20323">Going into a burning city to retrieve a beloved magic item and loot? Sounds like typical players! <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f642.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":)" title="Smile&nbsp; &nbsp; :)"&nbsp; data-smilie="1"data-shortname=":)" />While this might be enough motivation for your players, it's just too cool of a situation for such a weak plot hook. Plus you said the dwarven thrower isn't even there anymore right?This screams plot twist to me. As in what the players think their quest is changes at some point, going from pure greed to...&lt;fill in the blank&gt;For example a hobgoblin commander plotting a coup using this opportunity to break the war chief's orders intending to make the city his own. Then you have a group of &quot;Romans&quot; scheming to exacerbate the infighting in a last ditch attempt to reclaim their crumbling city. You might even trap the PCs in the fallen city under hobgoblin marshal law as the rest of the hobgoblin army lays siege. This may qualify you for official RBDM status.Or maybe the &quot;Romans&quot; took a high priestess/oracle captive and their retreating general is trying to smuggle her out of the city. If the PCs can intercept the oracle alive they'll gain a powerful ally against the BBEG and a great source for a future plot hook.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Quickleaf, post: 5438068, member: 20323"] Going into a burning city to retrieve a beloved magic item and loot? Sounds like typical players! :) While this might be enough motivation for your players, it's just too cool of a situation for such a weak plot hook. Plus you said the dwarven thrower isn't even there anymore right? This screams plot twist to me. As in what the players think their quest is changes at some point, going from pure greed to... <fill in the blank> For example a hobgoblin commander plotting a coup using this opportunity to break the war chief's orders intending to make the city his own. Then you have a group of "Romans" scheming to exacerbate the infighting in a last ditch attempt to reclaim their crumbling city. You might even trap the PCs in the fallen city under hobgoblin marshal law as the rest of the hobgoblin army lays siege. This may qualify you for official RBDM status. Or maybe the "Romans" took a high priestess/oracle captive and their retreating general is trying to smuggle her out of the city. If the PCs can intercept the oracle alive they'll gain a powerful ally against the BBEG and a great source for a future plot hook. [/QUOTE]

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