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<blockquote data-quote="Dagredhel" data-source="post: 3982303" data-attributes="member: 3421"><p>The following is copied from (my replies to) another thread. The poster wanted to make an Archivist/Monk and do Sacred Fist or something similar. I suggested...</p><p></p><p>The <strong>Enlightened Fist</strong> PrC includes specific rules for adapting it for a divine spellcaster instead. The PrC levels improve AC bonus, unarmed damage, unarmored speed bonus, and daily uses of stunning fist. Spellcasting improves at even levels. You get d8 HD and medium BAB progression, and seven special abilities. Not too bad.</p><p></p><p>If you go that route, several feats will help:</p><p></p><p><strong>Kung Fu Genius</strong></p><p>[General]</p><p>(DR319 p71)</p><p>Intelligence 13</p><p>Must be taken before or</p><p>at the same time as</p><p>gaining Monk level 1st</p><p>Use your Intelligence modifier in place of your Wisdom modifier for all Monk class abilities normally</p><p>based on Wisdom.</p><p></p><p>This one is a must have. <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f642.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":)" title="Smile :)" data-smilie="1"data-shortname=":)" /> </p><p></p><p><strong>Practiced Spellcaster</strong></p><p>[General] (CDiv p82)</p><p>(CArc p82)</p><p>Spellcraft: 4 ranks Choose one of your spellcasting classes. The spells you cast from this class have +4 Caster level (up to</p><p>your number of HD).</p><p>This feat helps multiclassed characters.</p><p></p><p><strong>Superior Unarmed Strike</strong></p><p>[General] (ToB p33)</p><p>Improved Unarmed Strike</p><p>BAB+3</p><p>If you are a monk, you instead deal unarmed damage as a monk four levels higher.</p><p></p><p><strong>Improved Natural Attack</strong></p><p>[General]</p><p>Natural weapon</p><p>BAB +4. </p><p>Choose one of the creature’s natural attack forms. The damage for this natural weapon increases by one step, as if the creature’s size had increased by one category: 1d2, 1d3, 1d4, 1d6, 1d8, 2d6, 3d6, 4d6, 6d6, 8d6, 12d6. </p><p>A weapon or attack that deals 1d10 points of damage increases as follows: 1d10, 2d8, 3d8, 4d8, 6d8, 8d8, 12d8. </p><p>This feat may be taken multiple times, but each time it applies to a different natural attack.</p><p></p><p>Assuming you start with 2 Monk levels and 3 Archivist levels, adding 10 levels of <strong>Enlightened Fist</strong> leaves you with 5 levels to cover. Since you seem to envision Archivist as the main class, either <strong>Contemplative</strong> or <strong>Loremaster</strong> would do nicely, with their full caster progressions and complimentary abilities.</p><p></p><p>By 20th level, you'll have 7th level spells and an unenhanced BAB of only +11--- but you'll make up for that with spells. <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f609.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=";)" title="Wink ;)" data-smilie="2"data-shortname=";)" /> You can squeak out another 2 points of BAB with Monk 4/Archivist 4--- but only at the expense of 7th level spells.</p></blockquote><p></p><p>Here is *the* spell that makes a low BAB a non-issue:</p><p></p><p><strong>Divine Power</strong></p><p>Evocation</p><p>Level: Clr 4, War 4 </p><p>Components: V, S, DF </p><p>Casting Time: 1 standard action </p><p>Range: Personal </p><p>Target: You </p><p>Duration: 1 round/level </p><p></p><p>Calling upon the divine power of your patron, you imbue yourself with strength and skill in combat. Your base attack bonus becomes equal to your character level (which may give you additional attacks), you gain a +6 enhancement bonus to Strength, and you gain 1 temporary hit point per caster level. </p><p></p><p>And here is the must-have accessory:</p><p></p><p><strong>Metamagic Rod - Quicken</strong></p><p></p><p>The wielder can cast up to three spells per day that are quickened as though using the Quicken Spell feat. </p><p></p><p>Strong (no school); CL 17th; Craft Rod, 75,500 gp (normal).</p><p></p><p>All of your memorized spells are combat buffs, touch spells or rays; everything else (healing, utility, etc.) goes on scrolls. <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f609.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=";)" title="Wink ;)" data-smilie="2"data-shortname=";)" />[/QUOTE]</p><p>[/QUOTE]</p>
[QUOTE="Dagredhel, post: 3982303, member: 3421"] The following is copied from (my replies to) another thread. The poster wanted to make an Archivist/Monk and do Sacred Fist or something similar. I suggested... The [B]Enlightened Fist[/B] PrC includes specific rules for adapting it for a divine spellcaster instead. The PrC levels improve AC bonus, unarmed damage, unarmored speed bonus, and daily uses of stunning fist. Spellcasting improves at even levels. You get d8 HD and medium BAB progression, and seven special abilities. Not too bad. If you go that route, several feats will help: [B]Kung Fu Genius[/B] [General] (DR319 p71) Intelligence 13 Must be taken before or at the same time as gaining Monk level 1st Use your Intelligence modifier in place of your Wisdom modifier for all Monk class abilities normally based on Wisdom. This one is a must have. :) [B]Practiced Spellcaster[/B] [General] (CDiv p82) (CArc p82) Spellcraft: 4 ranks Choose one of your spellcasting classes. The spells you cast from this class have +4 Caster level (up to your number of HD). This feat helps multiclassed characters. [B]Superior Unarmed Strike[/B] [General] (ToB p33) Improved Unarmed Strike BAB+3 If you are a monk, you instead deal unarmed damage as a monk four levels higher. [B]Improved Natural Attack[/B] [General] Natural weapon BAB +4. Choose one of the creature’s natural attack forms. The damage for this natural weapon increases by one step, as if the creature’s size had increased by one category: 1d2, 1d3, 1d4, 1d6, 1d8, 2d6, 3d6, 4d6, 6d6, 8d6, 12d6. A weapon or attack that deals 1d10 points of damage increases as follows: 1d10, 2d8, 3d8, 4d8, 6d8, 8d8, 12d8. This feat may be taken multiple times, but each time it applies to a different natural attack. Assuming you start with 2 Monk levels and 3 Archivist levels, adding 10 levels of [B]Enlightened Fist[/B] leaves you with 5 levels to cover. Since you seem to envision Archivist as the main class, either [B]Contemplative[/B] or [B]Loremaster[/B] would do nicely, with their full caster progressions and complimentary abilities. By 20th level, you'll have 7th level spells and an unenhanced BAB of only +11--- but you'll make up for that with spells. ;) You can squeak out another 2 points of BAB with Monk 4/Archivist 4--- but only at the expense of 7th level spells.[/QUOTE] Here is *the* spell that makes a low BAB a non-issue: [B]Divine Power[/B] Evocation Level: Clr 4, War 4 Components: V, S, DF Casting Time: 1 standard action Range: Personal Target: You Duration: 1 round/level Calling upon the divine power of your patron, you imbue yourself with strength and skill in combat. Your base attack bonus becomes equal to your character level (which may give you additional attacks), you gain a +6 enhancement bonus to Strength, and you gain 1 temporary hit point per caster level. And here is the must-have accessory: [B]Metamagic Rod - Quicken[/B] The wielder can cast up to three spells per day that are quickened as though using the Quicken Spell feat. Strong (no school); CL 17th; Craft Rod, 75,500 gp (normal). All of your memorized spells are combat buffs, touch spells or rays; everything else (healing, utility, etc.) goes on scrolls. ;)[/QUOTE] [/QUOTE]
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