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<blockquote data-quote="Asgorath" data-source="post: 7565846" data-attributes="member: 6921966"><p>But the rules provide a framework for your character to act in combat. If you want to shove first, then the rules say you have to take the Attack action and use one of your attacks to shove, because you don't have a bonus action from the Shield Master feat yet. So, if you have 2 attacks from Extra Attack, you could use the first to shove, and then have advantage on your second attack. If you have the Shield Master feat, you now have a bonus action which can be used to shove someone else as well.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>This is incorrect.</p><p></p><p><a href="https://twitter.com/JeremyECrawford/status/994993596989300736" target="_blank">https://twitter.com/JeremyECrawford/status/994993596989300736</a></p><p></p><p>"Clarification about bonus actions: if a feature says you can do X as a bonus action if you do Y, you must do Y before you can do X. For Shield Master, that means the bonus action must come after the Attack action. You decide when it happens afterward that turn."</p><p></p><p><a href="https://media.wizards.com/2019/dnd/downloads/SA-Compendium.pdf" target="_blank">https://media.wizards.com/2019/dnd/downloads/SA-Compendium.pdf</a></p><p></p><p>"The Shield Master feat lets you shove someone as a bonus action if you take the Attack action. Can you take that bonus action before the Attack action?</p><p></p><p>No. The bonus action provided by the Shield Master feat has a precondition: that you take the Attack action on your turn. Intending to take that action isn’t sufficient; you must actually take it before you can take the bonus action. During your turn, you do get to decide when to take the bonus action after you’ve taken the Attack action.</p><p></p><p>This sort of if-then setup appears in many of the game’s rules. The “if” must be satisfied before the “then” comes into play."</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Again, there is no action declaration phase in 5E where you can say "I intend to take the Attack action in the future" which would unlock the bonus action. The rules provide the framework that the player and DM translate what your character wants to do into the underlying mechanics of the game. On your turn, you have movement and an action. You can use an attack from the Attack action to shove a creature, and then if you still have attacks from Extra Attack left, you could attack the now-prone target with advantage. If you have the Shield Master feat, you could also do an extra shove after all of that has been resolved.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>I think it's a real stretch to argue that the intent of the feat back in 2014 when the PHB was released was that you could shove before attacking. I don't know of anyone who was playing it that way before JEC made his infamous and incorrect tweet in 2015. In the years following that tweet, many people (myself included) looked at that tweet and changed the way we played the feat at our tables. It never really made sense to me, but I figured if JEC said it, then that's how it was supposed to be played. He has since corrected this, and in the process, actually explained the intent of the bonus action shove (i.e. it's designed to be a finishing move to help your melee allies out).</p><p></p><p>Based on all the information we have today, I think it's hard to argue the RAI is the exact opposite of what he's now saying the intent of the feat is.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Asgorath, post: 7565846, member: 6921966"] But the rules provide a framework for your character to act in combat. If you want to shove first, then the rules say you have to take the Attack action and use one of your attacks to shove, because you don't have a bonus action from the Shield Master feat yet. So, if you have 2 attacks from Extra Attack, you could use the first to shove, and then have advantage on your second attack. If you have the Shield Master feat, you now have a bonus action which can be used to shove someone else as well. This is incorrect. [URL]https://twitter.com/JeremyECrawford/status/994993596989300736[/URL] "Clarification about bonus actions: if a feature says you can do X as a bonus action if you do Y, you must do Y before you can do X. For Shield Master, that means the bonus action must come after the Attack action. You decide when it happens afterward that turn." [URL]https://media.wizards.com/2019/dnd/downloads/SA-Compendium.pdf[/URL] "The Shield Master feat lets you shove someone as a bonus action if you take the Attack action. Can you take that bonus action before the Attack action? No. The bonus action provided by the Shield Master feat has a precondition: that you take the Attack action on your turn. Intending to take that action isn’t sufficient; you must actually take it before you can take the bonus action. During your turn, you do get to decide when to take the bonus action after you’ve taken the Attack action. This sort of if-then setup appears in many of the game’s rules. The “if” must be satisfied before the “then” comes into play." Again, there is no action declaration phase in 5E where you can say "I intend to take the Attack action in the future" which would unlock the bonus action. The rules provide the framework that the player and DM translate what your character wants to do into the underlying mechanics of the game. On your turn, you have movement and an action. You can use an attack from the Attack action to shove a creature, and then if you still have attacks from Extra Attack left, you could attack the now-prone target with advantage. If you have the Shield Master feat, you could also do an extra shove after all of that has been resolved. I think it's a real stretch to argue that the intent of the feat back in 2014 when the PHB was released was that you could shove before attacking. I don't know of anyone who was playing it that way before JEC made his infamous and incorrect tweet in 2015. In the years following that tweet, many people (myself included) looked at that tweet and changed the way we played the feat at our tables. It never really made sense to me, but I figured if JEC said it, then that's how it was supposed to be played. He has since corrected this, and in the process, actually explained the intent of the bonus action shove (i.e. it's designed to be a finishing move to help your melee allies out). Based on all the information we have today, I think it's hard to argue the RAI is the exact opposite of what he's now saying the intent of the feat is. [/QUOTE]
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