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<blockquote data-quote="FrogReaver" data-source="post: 7570770" data-attributes="member: 6795602">Maybe, but I don't find that a very compelling case.&nbsp; Unless there's something very important I'm missing, it would seem most likely IMO that all actions are either instantaneous or all actions last for their duration.&nbsp; I've proven they can't all last for their duration.&nbsp; Therefore my conclusion is that they are all instantaneous.&nbsp; You can say what if, might and maybe all you want but at the end of the day I need more evidence than mights and maybe's to change my mind.So you posit Natural Explorer as a counter example for why actions can't all be instantaneous.&nbsp; Let me take a look.&nbsp; Oh I see.&nbsp; It's not a capital Action like the attack Action or the dodge Action etc.&nbsp; That makes my answer there pretty simple.&nbsp; Since it's not an Action then it's not instantaneous.You bring TWF in as well.&nbsp; TWF also requires a trigger of an attack.&nbsp; An attack is not an instantaneous event like an Action is.&nbsp; So it can trigger off an attack just fine and not contradict my stance.You bring up the notion that shield master bonus action shove must be taken after the attack action is completed.&nbsp; I agree.&nbsp; However, I don't believe the attacks are part of the Action itself but rather that the Attack Action is instantaneous and taking it grants you the ability to make attacks.So I think I'm covered against all those counterexamples.&nbsp; Got any thing else?</blockquote>

[QUOTE="FrogReaver, post: 7570770, member: 6795602"] Maybe, but I don't find that a very compelling case. Unless there's something very important I'm missing, it would seem most likely IMO that all actions are either instantaneous or all actions last for their duration. I've proven they can't all last for their duration. Therefore my conclusion is that they are all instantaneous. You can say what if, might and maybe all you want but at the end of the day I need more evidence than mights and maybe's to change my mind. So you posit Natural Explorer as a counter example for why actions can't all be instantaneous. Let me take a look. Oh I see. It's not a capital Action like the attack Action or the dodge Action etc. That makes my answer there pretty simple. Since it's not an Action then it's not instantaneous. You bring TWF in as well. TWF also requires a trigger of an attack. An attack is not an instantaneous event like an Action is. So it can trigger off an attack just fine and not contradict my stance. You bring up the notion that shield master bonus action shove must be taken after the attack action is completed. I agree. However, I don't believe the attacks are part of the Action itself but rather that the Attack Action is instantaneous and taking it grants you the ability to make attacks. So I think I'm covered against all those counterexamples. Got any thing else? [/QUOTE]

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