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Message: <blockquote data-quote="epithet" data-source="post: 7571026" data-attributes="member: 6796566">It is absolutely nonsense. You've tried the same nonsensical Natural Explorer example about a half dozen times now, and it just makes everything else you say in a post seem nonsensical by proximity. You should choose a better example, because this one doesn't help your argument at all.Read the Natural Explorer feature again. Note the verb tense. It says, "If you are travelling..." there, doesn't it? It doesn't say "If you will travel" or "If you have travelled" or "If you have bought a ticket and plan to depart on Tuesday." The benefit of that feat must be concurrent with the trigger. Must happen at the same time as the trigger. I don't know how else to say it... you must, at the time that you "move stealthily at a normal pace," be actively travelling alone. What about this is difficult for you? It's in plain language, and is (as far as I can tell) unambiguous.Regarding the saving throw benefit of Shield Master, being "subjected to an effect that allows you to make a Dexterity saving throw" is an objective event that takes place in the fictional world of the game, and as such it occupies a distinct place in the sequence of events on a turn. It is therefore unlike the Attack Action taking place "on your turn," which, as it says on the tin, occupies a unit of time consisting of "your turn." So, while the Shield Master shove must take place at a time concurrent with the Attack Action (ie, on your turn,) the saving throw benefit of the same feat must take place at a time concurrent with (or instantly and immediately following) being "subjected to an effect that allows you to make a saving throw," which is an instant or moment within your turn. The reason the saving throw benefit must be concurrent with or immediate to the trigger is that it is a Reaction, which "is an instant response to a trigger" as opposed to a Bonus Action, which you "choose when to take ... during your turn."</blockquote>

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