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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Ovinomancer" data-source="post: 7572224" data-attributes="member: 16814">Okay, I'll go with the duration of an action is an action.  Instantaneous isn't the same as an action, though, so actions and instantaneous aren't even in the same category.Actions do not have a duration.  I'm really not sure how else I can say this.  You (well, lots of others as well) have decided to add duration to actions when they have none.  Not have a duration doesn't mean not taking some fictional time, it just means that a defined duration isn't part of actions at all.  Discussing the duration of actions is declaring that you've trumped four sevens with your eight of spades while playing poker.  It's nonsense.Nope, you're not listening.  You're hearing me say "actions have no duration" and hearing "the duration of an action is zero."  These are not the same thing, at all.  I'm saying that actions do not have the quality duration.  I don't care what length duration because actions do not even have this quality.Exactly right.  I wonder if you'll get it, though.Exactly right.  I wonder if you'll get it, though.  Hint, this time:  instantaneous is completely nonsense when talking about actions.  The have a duration of themselves.  This is a tautology, which is why the rules do not actually say, anywhere, that the duration of an action is an action.  They just talk about actions.  You've come up with "actions take 1 action to complete" and declared it RAW.  Trivially, it is, because it's a tautology. Are they?  Are all bonus actions swifter?  You can, for instance, use the Dash action as a bonus action if you are a rogue with the Cunning Action class ability.  Dash take exactly Dash long to complete (another tautology), whether it's an Action or a Bonus Action.Some spells are listed as swift and so are bonus actions, but this doesn't travel, or really mean much.  Bonus actions take 1 bonus action to complete, to reuse the tautology.How long an action takes isn't anything the rules actually discuss or even care about.  On your turn you have an action and a move, and maybe a bonus action.  It all fits in your turn, regardless of which specific ones you pick, and your turn always takes up the same amount of time.  Actions just do not even care about duration -- it's utterly nonsensical to discuss duration with regard to actions.</blockquote>

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