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<blockquote data-quote="Arial Black" data-source="post: 7573018" data-attributes="member: 6799649"><p>PHB p147:-</p><p></p><p>"In many cases, an improvised weapon is similar to an <strong>actual</strong> weapon."</p><p></p><p>Meaning, first, it is <strong>not</strong> an <em>actual</em> weapon, and second, in many cases an improvised weapon is <em>not</em> similar to an <em>actual</em> weapon.</p><p></p><p>Weapon = weapon.</p><p></p><p>Improvised weapon = <em>not</em> weapon, used as if it <em>were</em> a weapon.</p><p></p><p>'Weapon' is an object designed to be a weapon. The improvised weapon rules provide a way to use objects in combat that are <strong>not</strong> weapons, and ways to use things that are weapons in a way they were not designed, like hitting someone upside the head with a crossbow.</p><p></p><p>Things are what they are, even if you use them in inappropriate ways. You can get a piggy-back from a friend, but that doesn't allow him to benefit from the rules for mounts.</p><p></p><p>The spell <em>magic weapon</em> says, "You touch a nonmagical weapon." Can I cast it on a magical weapon? After all, I could <em>use</em> a magical weapon as if it were not magical? No, no more than you can cast the spell on a painting or a viking longship. The fact that the rules provide a way to adjudicate a PC hitting someone over the head with a painting (or a longship) does not make either a valid target for the spell.</p><p></p><p><em>Hold person</em> says, "Choose a <em>humanoid</em> you can see..." Can you cast it on a vampire? After all, they conform to the natural language meaning of 'humanoid': two arms, two legs, one head, one body? No, because the term 'humanoid' is a game term with a specific meaning, and that meaning excludes creatures that are not (game term) humanoids, like undead.</p><p></p><p>And 'weapon' is also a game term, meaning 'an object designed to be a weapon'. Weapons are simple or martial, melee or ranged. The term does <strong>not</strong> mean, "anything you pick up and hit people with". If it did, there would be no section on '<em>improvised</em> weapons', it would just be 'weapons' and include objects like paintings and toasters and....every object in the world!</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Arial Black, post: 7573018, member: 6799649"] PHB p147:- "In many cases, an improvised weapon is similar to an [b]actual[/b] weapon." Meaning, first, it is [b]not[/b] an [i]actual[/i] weapon, and second, in many cases an improvised weapon is [i]not[/i] similar to an [i]actual[/i] weapon. Weapon = weapon. Improvised weapon = [i]not[/i] weapon, used as if it [i]were[/i] a weapon. 'Weapon' is an object designed to be a weapon. The improvised weapon rules provide a way to use objects in combat that are [b]not[/b] weapons, and ways to use things that are weapons in a way they were not designed, like hitting someone upside the head with a crossbow. Things are what they are, even if you use them in inappropriate ways. You can get a piggy-back from a friend, but that doesn't allow him to benefit from the rules for mounts. The spell [i]magic weapon[/i] says, "You touch a nonmagical weapon." Can I cast it on a magical weapon? After all, I could [i]use[/i] a magical weapon as if it were not magical? No, no more than you can cast the spell on a painting or a viking longship. The fact that the rules provide a way to adjudicate a PC hitting someone over the head with a painting (or a longship) does not make either a valid target for the spell. [i]Hold person[/i] says, "Choose a [i]humanoid[/i] you can see..." Can you cast it on a vampire? After all, they conform to the natural language meaning of 'humanoid': two arms, two legs, one head, one body? No, because the term 'humanoid' is a game term with a specific meaning, and that meaning excludes creatures that are not (game term) humanoids, like undead. And 'weapon' is also a game term, meaning 'an object designed to be a weapon'. Weapons are simple or martial, melee or ranged. The term does [b]not[/b] mean, "anything you pick up and hit people with". If it did, there would be no section on '[i]improvised[/i] weapons', it would just be 'weapons' and include objects like paintings and toasters and....every object in the world! [/QUOTE]
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